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  1. APPLAUSE Your first kiss is the Richard Ray.0:00
  2. Aw, look at that.0:03
  3. APPLAUSE It's a real pleasure, right?0:07
  4. Good to see you.0:16
  5. Uh, you...0:18
  6. What, the crowd?0:20
  7. Yeah.0:22
  8. Are you playing in front of Bigger?0:23
  9. LAUGHTER Not very well.0:25
  10. Uh...0:28
  11. You have...0:29
  12. ..some stories to tell.0:31
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  1. As do you.0:36
  2. Uh, yeah, but you...0:37
  3. ..you've had drama.0:41
  4. Like, um...0:44
  5. ..obvious, big...0:46
  6. ..drama.0:49
  7. Will I remind you?0:51
  8. No.0:54
  9. And I'm...0:54
  10. I'm curious about that, about growing up here.0:58
  11. Uh, the...1:03
  12. ..hugeness...1:05
  13. ..of your career.1:07
  14. Uh...1:11
  15. ..the chaos...1:12
  16. ..after it.1:14
  17. And this moment now, like...1:16
  18. ..you've had...1:19
  19. ..big events in your life, like...1:21
  20. ..yeah?1:25
  21. Oh, no, no, I'm saying yes.1:27
  22. Yeah, yeah.1:29
  23. I have, and I've been...1:29
  24. ..I think I've been blessed with those events.1:31
  25. I started this whole thing, uh...1:34
  26. ..you know, in an orphanage.1:37
  27. And then to come out of that, and to be lucky enough to be accepted...1:39
  28. ..there wasn't so many black people around back in those days...1:43
  29. ..to be accepted...1:46
  30. ..accepted by Irish people and to...1:47
  31. ..to be able to kick a ball, a bag of wind.1:50
  32. And, um...1:53
  33. ..get dragged over to Manchester United and stuff like that.1:55
  34. So, you know, I think I was a very, very lucky man...1:57
  35. ..to have grown up, especially in this country.2:00
  36. Oh, you were...2:02
  37. I mean, in fairness now, you were more than accepted...2:03
  38. ..by us.2:05
  39. You know, you're truly...2:07
  40. ..loved, I think, by us.2:10
  41. You know, um...2:12
  42. ..that's the sense of feeling I have around the country...2:13
  43. ..for you.2:16
  44. Um, who ran the orphanage?2:18
  45. Um, I think it was a Protestant orphanage, uh...2:21
  46. ..that the first one that I went into...2:25
  47. ..because I was in the boys' brigade, I knew that at one stage in my life.2:28
  48. What is that?2:31
  49. I don't know, they all wear flat hats and stuff like that.2:32
  50. I think it's a Protestant thing.2:36
  51. So...2:38
  52. Yeah.2:38
  53. Uh...2:40
  54. ..not like...2:41
  55. ..no, no, no!2:42
  56. APPLAUSE Oh, no.2:45
  57. It was a...2:49
  58. It was a mess of hats, that was what you mean.2:50
  59. No, no.2:53
  60. No, but seriously, I didn't know, um...2:54
  61. ..until I showed someone that picture.2:57
  62. I think it was Norman White's side or something, and he was going, how can you be a Catholic?2:59
  63. Because then, obviously, I became a Catholic later on in life.3:03
  64. But I was brought up as a...3:08
  65. ..as a...3:09
  66. ..a Protestant.3:11
  67. And so, when Norman saw this picture of me as a...3:13
  68. ..as a boys' brigade member, he was thinking, like, how could you have been in the boys' brigade?3:17
  69. And it was simply because, uh...3:23
  70. ..my mother didn't want me to grow up in a...3:26
  71. ..you know, in a...in the Catholic situation.3:29
  72. Did your mum leave you into the orphanage?3:32
  73. Uh, she did, yeah.3:35
  74. Yeah.3:37
  75. Which was...3:38
  76. ..my mother was, uh...3:40
  77. ..was brilliant, you know.3:42
  78. She was just, uh...3:43
  79. ..working herself when she was 13 and stuff like that, so she had a hard...she had a hard life.3:45
  80. So, um...3:51
  81. ..so I was kind of just...3:52
  82. ..send to one or two places, and...3:55
  83. ..and, you know, I...3:57
  84. ..I loved it because there was a lot of people to...3:59
  85. ..that I could, you know, start soccer matches with...4:02
  86. ..and learn how to play and stuff like...4:04
  87. ..and homey skills, as they say.4:06
  88. Yeah.4:09
  89. Or try.4:09
  90. Was it a...do you look back on it as a good time?4:11
  91. I do, yeah.4:15
  92. I kind of do.4:16
  93. Parts of it were bad.4:18
  94. Parts of it were bad because, uh...4:19
  95. ..you know, there were those two places in...in, uh...4:22
  96. ..Don Lairey.4:25
  97. One was the bird's nest, and then the older boys had to go up to Glen Silver.4:26
  98. When you were 10 years old, you had to move up to the next place, and, of course, there was a lot of brothers up at the next place that4:30
  99. you had to say hello to.4:36
  100. They had smaller brothers down in the bird's nest, so they would have been told stories that, you know, the black lad, he hit me.4:38
  101. And the older brothers were like...4:47
  102. ..I think they kept them there until they were 18 or something like that.4:50
  103. So some big guys in there, you know what I mean?4:52
  104. So I had to go up and just, uh...4:55
  105. ..you had to try and stand your ground and stuff like that and have the odd rail with their older brothers and stuff like that.4:57
  106. So that was tough because I didn't...5:04
  107. I wasn't...I didn't mind a fight, but I didn't want to be fighting with people who were...5:06
  108. ..a lot older than me and stuff like that, so...it was tough.5:11
  109. You seem very gentle.5:14
  110. And it depends on, you know, if someone...5:17
  111. ..whatever someone's doing to me, to be honest.5:21
  112. I'm gentle, but, you know, with people who are gentle with me, you know, I'm not someone who goes around looking for a fight and running like that, but, you5:23
  113. know, I think I did become a little bit of a bully because that's what happened to me.5:33
  114. And I think...but I hated being a bully.5:39
  115. So when I went up to the other place, I was gonna change my ways and all this sort of thing.5:43
  116. I didn't get a chance, to be honest, because the word had already spread up that he was a bit of a...5:47
  117. ..yeah, I suppose I was a bully.5:55
  118. How do you spend your time now?5:57
  119. Like, what kind of stuff do you do?6:00
  120. In terms of earning money and stuff like that?6:01
  121. I've been lucky, I think, really, that I can still...6:06
  122. ..you know, I can...I still get asked to go to...6:10
  123. ..ask some villains places like that and all this...6:13
  124. ..one or two very, very strange places.6:16
  125. But I've had to learn how to do that because I wasn't...6:18
  126. ..I'm kind of a shy kind of human being.6:21
  127. And I don't really like doing even this TV.6:24
  128. I love it because I'm doing it with you, but I'm not really too good on...6:29
  129. ..I haven't got a face for TV, but it's that way.6:33
  130. You do.6:36
  131. You've got the right there anyway.6:38
  132. LAUGHTER APPLAUSE So well.6:40
  133. And...6:46
  134. ..is there...6:49
  135. ..did you earn a phenomenal amount of money while you were playing?6:52
  136. No.6:58
  137. No, I know it wasn't as mental as the money is now.6:59
  138. No, no, no, no, no.7:02
  139. But no, I was on really, really low wages at Manchester United and that's the whole crux of the thing where I left Manchester United because I didn't want...7:03
  140. Brian Robson was on a certain amount of money, but you knew Brian Robson was the best player by far.7:12
  141. But I was so far back that the reserve team players were getting more money than me, so I went in to see Sir Alex and I just said, I7:17
  142. just like my wages.7:28
  143. You could...7:30
  144. I wasn't good at doing negotiations and stuff like that, so I said, if you could just up my wages a little, that'd be great.7:31
  145. And of course he didn't take kindly to that.7:38
  146. He just said, what?7:40
  147. Up your wage?7:42
  148. Get out.7:43
  149. Like, get out of the office sort of thing, you know?7:44
  150. And that's the way...7:46
  151. ..that's the reason then I just thought, well, I'm going to have to ask to leave and stuff like that, but I didn't really have to leave in the end7:48
  152. or ask to leave in the end because Sir Alex did it for me.7:55
  153. Was that because yourself, Norman White -Side and Brian Robson, were fond of a pint?8:01
  154. Hank Kebemore and Gordon McQueen and a few others.8:07
  155. But Brian could drink for England, like, eat hollow legs.8:12
  156. Brian just...he could stand at the bar all day.8:16
  157. I couldn't...I didn't drink to be social.8:19
  158. I just drank because I was afraid the next thing that was coming around the corner was all new to me.8:22
  159. It was all, you know, but they...8:27
  160. But Norman was just a brilliant player as well.8:29
  161. He was a brilliant player, but he did love a couple of pints and stuff.8:33
  162. And I just got caught up in it.8:40
  163. You know, if someone had a party in their house, I had to be drunk before I got to the house.8:42
  164. I had to be the one that, you know, was starting to be rude to people and getting asked to leave before.8:48
  165. It was just that I didn't really like being a people's company too...for too long.8:54
  166. Put it that way.9:00
  167. And when you were drunk, were you...9:01
  168. It was your...like, I would think of myself as quite a friendly drunk.9:04
  169. You know, kind of a soft, egotist drunk.9:09
  170. Would you have bought me a drink then?9:13
  171. Would I have bought you a drink back then?9:14
  172. I would have been afraid of you.9:16
  173. What?9:17
  174. But were you...9:20
  175. You didn't like who you were drunk?9:22
  176. No.9:25
  177. No.9:26
  178. I wouldn't have...9:27
  179. No.9:28
  180. I would not have...9:29
  181. Because it changed my whole personality.9:30
  182. I'm not...9:33
  183. Like I say, I'm a real quiet sort of person.9:34
  184. I didn't like being in the limelight.9:37
  185. The only thing at the time I liked playing...9:39
  186. Being in a football team is when I'm on the football pitch.9:41
  187. And the rest of it was hell.9:44
  188. For me, anyway.9:46
  189. Did you have...9:48
  190. Did you have a partner or something like that?9:48
  191. Or do you not...9:53
  192. Yeah, I've had a couple of wives.9:54
  193. No, not the same.9:58
  194. I don't mean to...9:59
  195. But I've had a couple of wives and stuff like that.10:00
  196. You're old.10:04
  197. Though they were my own wives.10:05
  198. That's good.10:09
  199. If I'm going to be honest, I know.10:12
  200. I know.10:15
  201. Just two of my own.10:15
  202. And they were brilliant.10:18
  203. They were just magnificent with...10:22
  204. You know, I've got six kids.10:24
  205. And, you know...10:27
  206. I still talk to my wives, both of them.10:28
  207. And I talk to my kids a lot as well.10:31
  208. So it's all worked out, and we're all...10:34
  209. We don't hate each other anymore, anyway.10:37
  210. You seem remarkably...10:41
  211. Self -possessed and in control of things and very...10:44
  212. There's a great...10:50
  213. ...calmenist coming off you.10:52
  214. It's very nice to sit with you, like.10:53
  215. You're very easy.10:55
  216. I don't know where I get that from, because I was panicking like hell about...10:59
  217. You know, having to sit here and try and...11:03
  218. I was thinking, cheese, what will I do?11:06
  219. What will I say?11:08
  220. And then they were saying, just come out and treat it like, you know, two fellas having a chat.11:09
  221. And it seems to be a lot of using their thought to be honest.11:14
  222. Because, like I say, I don't usually like, you know, crowds and stuff like that.11:18
  223. So it's not that...11:23
  224. They're a lovely crowd.11:24
  225. They are a lovely crowd, but I'm not used to it.11:25
  226. How often do you have to do the talking and public thing?11:29
  227. Yeah, quite often now, because it is a way of making a living.11:35
  228. And, you know, I still have six kids and I still want to be able to buy them.11:38
  229. Not as many presents as they got when they were young, but I still want to buy them stuff that...11:42
  230. I probably should have given them more money, I think, and made them save so they could buy their own stuff now.11:51
  231. But they're all old.11:57
  232. My eldest is 34, I think.11:58
  233. So he should start buying his own stuff, shouldn't he?12:02
  234. He's not that age.12:08
  235. He's not that age.12:09
  236. Yeah, that's true.12:12
  237. And when you do these talks, what do you talk about?12:14
  238. Well, it's usually the same things, like, you know, how do you feel about playing against Maradona or, you know...12:18
  239. They named people, they named players they love, and if I played against them, they wouldn't know how I've done or who's the best or the usual question.12:27
  240. What was it like to play against Maradona?12:37
  241. It wasn't a happy experience.12:40
  242. He was...12:42
  243. No, he did one thing that I just thought was ridiculous.12:43
  244. Someone blasted a ball at him.12:45
  245. And I think he'd been out with Brian Robson the night before.12:48
  246. But he just put out his leg like this and stopped the ball on the end of his toe and held it there.12:53
  247. And I was supposed to be marking him.13:00
  248. I'm standing about ten yards away from him.13:01
  249. I'm just looking at him and he kept the ball on his toe.13:03
  250. And then he just puts it to the ground and runs off.13:07
  251. And I was supposed to be marking him.13:09
  252. So I was just thinking, how'd you do that?13:10
  253. How'd you do that?13:13
  254. You know, and that's the sort of player he was.13:15
  255. He was just...13:17
  256. He was a genius.13:17
  257. Genius.13:19
  258. What's the...13:20
  259. What was the greatest compliment that another footballer had paid you?13:21
  260. Um...13:28
  261. Andy Gray wasn't a...13:28
  262. Do you know what Andy Gray wasn't?13:30
  263. I remember I tackled him and when I...13:32
  264. I tackled him, I actually caught the ball right and he spun up in the air and he landed.13:35
  265. And he started...13:40
  266. Then he started just coming...13:41
  267. giving me this, you know?13:43
  268. And I was only a young lad at Old Trafford then.13:45
  269. And then he was trying to beat me up, like, sort of thing.13:47
  270. I was thinking, why are you trying to beat me up for...13:49
  271. Andy, it was just such a good tackle.13:51
  272. Seriously.13:53
  273. You know, so...13:54
  274. And I mean, I took that as a compliment.13:55
  275. You know what I mean?14:00
  276. He's trying to beat the head off.14:01
  277. Yeah, yeah.14:03
  278. Yeah, wow.14:03
  279. When you stopped playing, how chaotic did it get?14:08
  280. Oh, very for me, because...14:12
  281. And everyone was saying it, you know, what are you going to do when you're finished football and stuff like that?14:14
  282. And I'm sure it was the only thing I ever knew I wasn't very good at school.14:19
  283. I think I was expelled just before I left Salih Noggin and stuff like that.14:22
  284. So it wasn't really good at maths and all this sort of thing.14:26
  285. But, you know, so I kind of panicked and I didn't know what I was going to do.14:30
  286. But then I was getting...14:35
  287. I was finishing my second divorce, so I just decided that I'd come back to Ireland and just find somewhere to live and live a quiet life and just try14:38
  288. and be happy.14:48
  289. You know what I mean?14:49
  290. Did you go mad on drink for her?14:50
  291. Ah, yeah.14:53
  292. I would have, yeah.14:54
  293. Because that was my way of just, you know, kind of slamming the gates and just sitting in the house and just getting...14:56
  294. in a bad way, you know?15:06
  295. And then friends would come and try and get me out and try and get me out of the house and stuff like that.15:09
  296. But actually, I was a...15:14
  297. I was a shocking person to try and do anything with when I was drunk because I just didn't...15:15
  298. I didn't like myself.15:22
  299. I didn't like what I was doing to my children.15:23
  300. There was always something that I could relate to that I didn't do well.15:25
  301. I wanted to be a good father.15:29
  302. I wanted to be...15:32
  303. to all six of my kids and I wasn't.15:33
  304. And so that was tough, you know?15:36
  305. So that's the reason I...15:39
  306. it's not the only reason, though.15:41
  307. It's just...15:42
  308. I'm not very...15:44
  309. I was never very confident.15:45
  310. That's what I was born to.15:48
  311. I'm very confident.15:50
  312. Was it very difficult stopping drinking?15:52
  313. It still is, yeah.16:02
  314. It still is for me.16:04
  315. You know, I don't drink half as much as I...16:06
  316. Well, no, I shouldn't say it like half as much.16:09
  317. Because that was quite a lot.16:12
  318. That would be quite a lot, I should say.16:13
  319. But I...16:16
  320. Yeah, I do find it hard.16:17
  321. And I haven't completely...16:18
  322. I'd be a liar if I said I've completely stopped drinking.16:20
  323. But I've cut it down to where it's manageable with me.16:23
  324. I don't drive cars and I don't do the bad things when I'm depressed or drinking or whatever I'm doing.16:26
  325. You're drinking by yourself?16:36
  326. Yes.16:37
  327. Yeah, I drink in the house.16:38
  328. I just close the curtains and just sit there and just drink and lately even start talking to myself, which is...16:40
  329. I'm getting worried about that side of it now.16:50
  330. And I try and keep...16:52
  331. Again, I still try and keep myself to myself and I get asked to do things from time to time that I really want to do.16:54
  332. And I'm not trying to blow you over but when I heard it was you, I said, I would like to do that.17:02
  333. But I'm still...17:12
  334. I'm just trying to get around my life now without hurting too many people.17:17
  335. I think I've hurt a lot of people along the way and I'm just trying to get through my life hurting as few as I can.17:22
  336. Put it that way.17:30
  337. Yeah.17:32
  338. But that's...17:32
  339. So I'm lucky.17:34
  340. I've always felt blessed that, like I say, I was taken under the Irish people's wing.17:36
  341. I went...17:42
  342. That sounded like an organisation.17:43
  343. But I love that I was brought here when I was brought here at eight weeks old or whatever it was.17:46
  344. And I was taken to heart by the Irish people and I can still make a living.17:54
  345. You know.18:01
  346. Without sounding sentimental or trite or any of those things, I had a bit of a reaction when you said you were taken under the wing of the Irish people18:03
  347. because I have no sense of that at all.18:16
  348. You're Irish.18:22
  349. Yes.18:23
  350. You know.18:24
  351. There's no...18:25
  352. You're as Irish as I am.18:32
  353. There's no...18:35
  354. I mean...18:36
  355. There's no sense of we're doing you a favour.18:39
  356. If anything, I speak for a lot of people, you're the one who did us a favour.18:43
  357. Oh, cheers.18:48
  358. You know, so...18:49
  359. Thank you.18:52
  360. Thank you very much for braveness and coming out to catch me.18:57
  361. Well, it's been an absolute pleasure.18:59
  362. Ladies and gentlemen, Paul McGraw!19:01
  363. That was great.19:04
  364. Stay where you are.19:05
  365. That was great.19:06
  366. Stay sitting on the screen.19:06
  367. Wow.19:09
  368. Oh, Paul McGraw!19:14
  369. Oh, Paul McGraw!19:16
  370. Oh, Paul McGraw!19:18
  371. Paul McGraw!19:20
  372. Oh, Paul McGraw!19:29

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