Shadowing practice: Paul McGrath | The Tommy Tiernan Show
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- APPLAUSE Your first kiss is the Richard Ray.0:00
- Aw, look at that.0:03
- APPLAUSE It's a real pleasure, right?0:07
- Good to see you.0:16
- Uh, you...0:18
- What, the crowd?0:20
- Yeah.0:22
- Are you playing in front of Bigger?0:23
- LAUGHTER Not very well.0:25
- Uh...0:28
- You have...0:29
- ..some stories to tell.0:31
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- As do you.0:36
- Uh, yeah, but you...0:37
- ..you've had drama.0:41
- Like, um...0:44
- ..obvious, big...0:46
- ..drama.0:49
- Will I remind you?0:51
- No.0:54
- And I'm...0:54
- I'm curious about that, about growing up here.0:58
- Uh, the...1:03
- ..hugeness...1:05
- ..of your career.1:07
- Uh...1:11
- ..the chaos...1:12
- ..after it.1:14
- And this moment now, like...1:16
- ..you've had...1:19
- ..big events in your life, like...1:21
- ..yeah?1:25
- Oh, no, no, I'm saying yes.1:27
- Yeah, yeah.1:29
- I have, and I've been...1:29
- ..I think I've been blessed with those events.1:31
- I started this whole thing, uh...1:34
- ..you know, in an orphanage.1:37
- And then to come out of that, and to be lucky enough to be accepted...1:39
- ..there wasn't so many black people around back in those days...1:43
- ..to be accepted...1:46
- ..accepted by Irish people and to...1:47
- ..to be able to kick a ball, a bag of wind.1:50
- And, um...1:53
- ..get dragged over to Manchester United and stuff like that.1:55
- So, you know, I think I was a very, very lucky man...1:57
- ..to have grown up, especially in this country.2:00
- Oh, you were...2:02
- I mean, in fairness now, you were more than accepted...2:03
- ..by us.2:05
- You know, you're truly...2:07
- ..loved, I think, by us.2:10
- You know, um...2:12
- ..that's the sense of feeling I have around the country...2:13
- ..for you.2:16
- Um, who ran the orphanage?2:18
- Um, I think it was a Protestant orphanage, uh...2:21
- ..that the first one that I went into...2:25
- ..because I was in the boys' brigade, I knew that at one stage in my life.2:28
- What is that?2:31
- I don't know, they all wear flat hats and stuff like that.2:32
- I think it's a Protestant thing.2:36
- So...2:38
- Yeah.2:38
- Uh...2:40
- ..not like...2:41
- ..no, no, no!2:42
- APPLAUSE Oh, no.2:45
- It was a...2:49
- It was a mess of hats, that was what you mean.2:50
- No, no.2:53
- No, but seriously, I didn't know, um...2:54
- ..until I showed someone that picture.2:57
- I think it was Norman White's side or something, and he was going, how can you be a Catholic?2:59
- Because then, obviously, I became a Catholic later on in life.3:03
- But I was brought up as a...3:08
- ..as a...3:09
- ..a Protestant.3:11
- And so, when Norman saw this picture of me as a...3:13
- ..as a boys' brigade member, he was thinking, like, how could you have been in the boys' brigade?3:17
- And it was simply because, uh...3:23
- ..my mother didn't want me to grow up in a...3:26
- ..you know, in a...in the Catholic situation.3:29
- Did your mum leave you into the orphanage?3:32
- Uh, she did, yeah.3:35
- Yeah.3:37
- Which was...3:38
- ..my mother was, uh...3:40
- ..was brilliant, you know.3:42
- She was just, uh...3:43
- ..working herself when she was 13 and stuff like that, so she had a hard...she had a hard life.3:45
- So, um...3:51
- ..so I was kind of just...3:52
- ..send to one or two places, and...3:55
- ..and, you know, I...3:57
- ..I loved it because there was a lot of people to...3:59
- ..that I could, you know, start soccer matches with...4:02
- ..and learn how to play and stuff like...4:04
- ..and homey skills, as they say.4:06
- Yeah.4:09
- Or try.4:09
- Was it a...do you look back on it as a good time?4:11
- I do, yeah.4:15
- I kind of do.4:16
- Parts of it were bad.4:18
- Parts of it were bad because, uh...4:19
- ..you know, there were those two places in...in, uh...4:22
- ..Don Lairey.4:25
- One was the bird's nest, and then the older boys had to go up to Glen Silver.4:26
- When you were 10 years old, you had to move up to the next place, and, of course, there was a lot of brothers up at the next place that4:30
- you had to say hello to.4:36
- They had smaller brothers down in the bird's nest, so they would have been told stories that, you know, the black lad, he hit me.4:38
- And the older brothers were like...4:47
- ..I think they kept them there until they were 18 or something like that.4:50
- So some big guys in there, you know what I mean?4:52
- So I had to go up and just, uh...4:55
- ..you had to try and stand your ground and stuff like that and have the odd rail with their older brothers and stuff like that.4:57
- So that was tough because I didn't...5:04
- I wasn't...I didn't mind a fight, but I didn't want to be fighting with people who were...5:06
- ..a lot older than me and stuff like that, so...it was tough.5:11
- You seem very gentle.5:14
- And it depends on, you know, if someone...5:17
- ..whatever someone's doing to me, to be honest.5:21
- I'm gentle, but, you know, with people who are gentle with me, you know, I'm not someone who goes around looking for a fight and running like that, but, you5:23
- know, I think I did become a little bit of a bully because that's what happened to me.5:33
- And I think...but I hated being a bully.5:39
- So when I went up to the other place, I was gonna change my ways and all this sort of thing.5:43
- I didn't get a chance, to be honest, because the word had already spread up that he was a bit of a...5:47
- ..yeah, I suppose I was a bully.5:55
- How do you spend your time now?5:57
- Like, what kind of stuff do you do?6:00
- In terms of earning money and stuff like that?6:01
- I've been lucky, I think, really, that I can still...6:06
- ..you know, I can...I still get asked to go to...6:10
- ..ask some villains places like that and all this...6:13
- ..one or two very, very strange places.6:16
- But I've had to learn how to do that because I wasn't...6:18
- ..I'm kind of a shy kind of human being.6:21
- And I don't really like doing even this TV.6:24
- I love it because I'm doing it with you, but I'm not really too good on...6:29
- ..I haven't got a face for TV, but it's that way.6:33
- You do.6:36
- You've got the right there anyway.6:38
- LAUGHTER APPLAUSE So well.6:40
- And...6:46
- ..is there...6:49
- ..did you earn a phenomenal amount of money while you were playing?6:52
- No.6:58
- No, I know it wasn't as mental as the money is now.6:59
- No, no, no, no, no.7:02
- But no, I was on really, really low wages at Manchester United and that's the whole crux of the thing where I left Manchester United because I didn't want...7:03
- Brian Robson was on a certain amount of money, but you knew Brian Robson was the best player by far.7:12
- But I was so far back that the reserve team players were getting more money than me, so I went in to see Sir Alex and I just said, I7:17
- just like my wages.7:28
- You could...7:30
- I wasn't good at doing negotiations and stuff like that, so I said, if you could just up my wages a little, that'd be great.7:31
- And of course he didn't take kindly to that.7:38
- He just said, what?7:40
- Up your wage?7:42
- Get out.7:43
- Like, get out of the office sort of thing, you know?7:44
- And that's the way...7:46
- ..that's the reason then I just thought, well, I'm going to have to ask to leave and stuff like that, but I didn't really have to leave in the end7:48
- or ask to leave in the end because Sir Alex did it for me.7:55
- Was that because yourself, Norman White -Side and Brian Robson, were fond of a pint?8:01
- Hank Kebemore and Gordon McQueen and a few others.8:07
- But Brian could drink for England, like, eat hollow legs.8:12
- Brian just...he could stand at the bar all day.8:16
- I couldn't...I didn't drink to be social.8:19
- I just drank because I was afraid the next thing that was coming around the corner was all new to me.8:22
- It was all, you know, but they...8:27
- But Norman was just a brilliant player as well.8:29
- He was a brilliant player, but he did love a couple of pints and stuff.8:33
- And I just got caught up in it.8:40
- You know, if someone had a party in their house, I had to be drunk before I got to the house.8:42
- I had to be the one that, you know, was starting to be rude to people and getting asked to leave before.8:48
- It was just that I didn't really like being a people's company too...for too long.8:54
- Put it that way.9:00
- And when you were drunk, were you...9:01
- It was your...like, I would think of myself as quite a friendly drunk.9:04
- You know, kind of a soft, egotist drunk.9:09
- Would you have bought me a drink then?9:13
- Would I have bought you a drink back then?9:14
- I would have been afraid of you.9:16
- What?9:17
- But were you...9:20
- You didn't like who you were drunk?9:22
- No.9:25
- No.9:26
- I wouldn't have...9:27
- No.9:28
- I would not have...9:29
- Because it changed my whole personality.9:30
- I'm not...9:33
- Like I say, I'm a real quiet sort of person.9:34
- I didn't like being in the limelight.9:37
- The only thing at the time I liked playing...9:39
- Being in a football team is when I'm on the football pitch.9:41
- And the rest of it was hell.9:44
- For me, anyway.9:46
- Did you have...9:48
- Did you have a partner or something like that?9:48
- Or do you not...9:53
- Yeah, I've had a couple of wives.9:54
- No, not the same.9:58
- I don't mean to...9:59
- But I've had a couple of wives and stuff like that.10:00
- You're old.10:04
- Though they were my own wives.10:05
- That's good.10:09
- If I'm going to be honest, I know.10:12
- I know.10:15
- Just two of my own.10:15
- And they were brilliant.10:18
- They were just magnificent with...10:22
- You know, I've got six kids.10:24
- And, you know...10:27
- I still talk to my wives, both of them.10:28
- And I talk to my kids a lot as well.10:31
- So it's all worked out, and we're all...10:34
- We don't hate each other anymore, anyway.10:37
- You seem remarkably...10:41
- Self -possessed and in control of things and very...10:44
- There's a great...10:50
- ...calmenist coming off you.10:52
- It's very nice to sit with you, like.10:53
- You're very easy.10:55
- I don't know where I get that from, because I was panicking like hell about...10:59
- You know, having to sit here and try and...11:03
- I was thinking, cheese, what will I do?11:06
- What will I say?11:08
- And then they were saying, just come out and treat it like, you know, two fellas having a chat.11:09
- And it seems to be a lot of using their thought to be honest.11:14
- Because, like I say, I don't usually like, you know, crowds and stuff like that.11:18
- So it's not that...11:23
- They're a lovely crowd.11:24
- They are a lovely crowd, but I'm not used to it.11:25
- How often do you have to do the talking and public thing?11:29
- Yeah, quite often now, because it is a way of making a living.11:35
- And, you know, I still have six kids and I still want to be able to buy them.11:38
- Not as many presents as they got when they were young, but I still want to buy them stuff that...11:42
- I probably should have given them more money, I think, and made them save so they could buy their own stuff now.11:51
- But they're all old.11:57
- My eldest is 34, I think.11:58
- So he should start buying his own stuff, shouldn't he?12:02
- He's not that age.12:08
- He's not that age.12:09
- Yeah, that's true.12:12
- And when you do these talks, what do you talk about?12:14
- Well, it's usually the same things, like, you know, how do you feel about playing against Maradona or, you know...12:18
- They named people, they named players they love, and if I played against them, they wouldn't know how I've done or who's the best or the usual question.12:27
- What was it like to play against Maradona?12:37
- It wasn't a happy experience.12:40
- He was...12:42
- No, he did one thing that I just thought was ridiculous.12:43
- Someone blasted a ball at him.12:45
- And I think he'd been out with Brian Robson the night before.12:48
- But he just put out his leg like this and stopped the ball on the end of his toe and held it there.12:53
- And I was supposed to be marking him.13:00
- I'm standing about ten yards away from him.13:01
- I'm just looking at him and he kept the ball on his toe.13:03
- And then he just puts it to the ground and runs off.13:07
- And I was supposed to be marking him.13:09
- So I was just thinking, how'd you do that?13:10
- How'd you do that?13:13
- You know, and that's the sort of player he was.13:15
- He was just...13:17
- He was a genius.13:17
- Genius.13:19
- What's the...13:20
- What was the greatest compliment that another footballer had paid you?13:21
- Um...13:28
- Andy Gray wasn't a...13:28
- Do you know what Andy Gray wasn't?13:30
- I remember I tackled him and when I...13:32
- I tackled him, I actually caught the ball right and he spun up in the air and he landed.13:35
- And he started...13:40
- Then he started just coming...13:41
- giving me this, you know?13:43
- And I was only a young lad at Old Trafford then.13:45
- And then he was trying to beat me up, like, sort of thing.13:47
- I was thinking, why are you trying to beat me up for...13:49
- Andy, it was just such a good tackle.13:51
- Seriously.13:53
- You know, so...13:54
- And I mean, I took that as a compliment.13:55
- You know what I mean?14:00
- He's trying to beat the head off.14:01
- Yeah, yeah.14:03
- Yeah, wow.14:03
- When you stopped playing, how chaotic did it get?14:08
- Oh, very for me, because...14:12
- And everyone was saying it, you know, what are you going to do when you're finished football and stuff like that?14:14
- And I'm sure it was the only thing I ever knew I wasn't very good at school.14:19
- I think I was expelled just before I left Salih Noggin and stuff like that.14:22
- So it wasn't really good at maths and all this sort of thing.14:26
- But, you know, so I kind of panicked and I didn't know what I was going to do.14:30
- But then I was getting...14:35
- I was finishing my second divorce, so I just decided that I'd come back to Ireland and just find somewhere to live and live a quiet life and just try14:38
- and be happy.14:48
- You know what I mean?14:49
- Did you go mad on drink for her?14:50
- Ah, yeah.14:53
- I would have, yeah.14:54
- Because that was my way of just, you know, kind of slamming the gates and just sitting in the house and just getting...14:56
- in a bad way, you know?15:06
- And then friends would come and try and get me out and try and get me out of the house and stuff like that.15:09
- But actually, I was a...15:14
- I was a shocking person to try and do anything with when I was drunk because I just didn't...15:15
- I didn't like myself.15:22
- I didn't like what I was doing to my children.15:23
- There was always something that I could relate to that I didn't do well.15:25
- I wanted to be a good father.15:29
- I wanted to be...15:32
- to all six of my kids and I wasn't.15:33
- And so that was tough, you know?15:36
- So that's the reason I...15:39
- it's not the only reason, though.15:41
- It's just...15:42
- I'm not very...15:44
- I was never very confident.15:45
- That's what I was born to.15:48
- I'm very confident.15:50
- Was it very difficult stopping drinking?15:52
- It still is, yeah.16:02
- It still is for me.16:04
- You know, I don't drink half as much as I...16:06
- Well, no, I shouldn't say it like half as much.16:09
- Because that was quite a lot.16:12
- That would be quite a lot, I should say.16:13
- But I...16:16
- Yeah, I do find it hard.16:17
- And I haven't completely...16:18
- I'd be a liar if I said I've completely stopped drinking.16:20
- But I've cut it down to where it's manageable with me.16:23
- I don't drive cars and I don't do the bad things when I'm depressed or drinking or whatever I'm doing.16:26
- You're drinking by yourself?16:36
- Yes.16:37
- Yeah, I drink in the house.16:38
- I just close the curtains and just sit there and just drink and lately even start talking to myself, which is...16:40
- I'm getting worried about that side of it now.16:50
- And I try and keep...16:52
- Again, I still try and keep myself to myself and I get asked to do things from time to time that I really want to do.16:54
- And I'm not trying to blow you over but when I heard it was you, I said, I would like to do that.17:02
- But I'm still...17:12
- I'm just trying to get around my life now without hurting too many people.17:17
- I think I've hurt a lot of people along the way and I'm just trying to get through my life hurting as few as I can.17:22
- Put it that way.17:30
- Yeah.17:32
- But that's...17:32
- So I'm lucky.17:34
- I've always felt blessed that, like I say, I was taken under the Irish people's wing.17:36
- I went...17:42
- That sounded like an organisation.17:43
- But I love that I was brought here when I was brought here at eight weeks old or whatever it was.17:46
- And I was taken to heart by the Irish people and I can still make a living.17:54
- You know.18:01
- Without sounding sentimental or trite or any of those things, I had a bit of a reaction when you said you were taken under the wing of the Irish people18:03
- because I have no sense of that at all.18:16
- You're Irish.18:22
- Yes.18:23
- You know.18:24
- There's no...18:25
- You're as Irish as I am.18:32
- There's no...18:35
- I mean...18:36
- There's no sense of we're doing you a favour.18:39
- If anything, I speak for a lot of people, you're the one who did us a favour.18:43
- Oh, cheers.18:48
- You know, so...18:49
- Thank you.18:52
- Thank you very much for braveness and coming out to catch me.18:57
- Well, it's been an absolute pleasure.18:59
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- Stay where you are.19:05
- That was great.19:06
- Stay sitting on the screen.19:06
- Wow.19:09
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English Speaking Practice With an Irish Interview Voice
This clip is an interview segment from The Tommy Tiernan Show, where retired footballer Paul McGrath talks with host Tommy Tiernan about growing up in an orphanage and his early life in Ireland. It is real, unscripted english speaking practice: two Irish voices trading questions and half finished sentences, not a scripted podcast read at a steady pace.
At B2 level and 195 words per minute, this recording moves faster than most of the catalogue, so pauses and restarts carry real weight. McGrath answers in short bursts, Tiernan interrupts with quick follow ups, and the tone shifts from praise to memory within a few lines. That mix of pace and feeling is exactly why shadowing this interview clip pays off: you are copying real conversational rhythm, not a studio recording.
Reductions and Colloquial Turns in Paul McGrath's Story
Three lines from the opening show what makes this recording worth repeating aloud.
Working through lines like these is useful pronunciation practice for the vowels of Irish english, and for hearing how stress can land on a word twice inside one sentence.
- "It's a real pleasure, right?" a rising tag tacked onto a flat statement, typical of the style here; practise the rise on "right" until it sounds like a real check in, not a scripted line.
- "I'm curious about that, about growing up here." Tiernan restates his own question mid sentence, so stress falls twice, once on "curious" and again on "growing up"; shadow it slowly first to catch both peaks.
- "in fairness now, you were more than accepted" the phrase "in fairness now" is a distinctly Irish hedge, said fast; treat it as one breath group, not four separate words.
- "I think I was a very, very lucky man" the doubled "very, very" is emphasis, worth mimicking the stretch instead of flattening it to a single very.
How to Work Through the Paul McGrath Opening
Work the first minute of the interview in order rather than jumping around, since the tone builds from small talk to the orphanage story line by line.
Five lines like this, repeated daily, build more usable speaking practice than watching the full episode once with subtitles on.
- Start with "It's a real pleasure, right?" through "Are you playing in front of Bigger?" to get used to the clipped back and forth before the story starts.
- Isolate "I'm curious about that, about growing up here." and repeat it several times, matching the double stress before moving on.
- Slow down for "you know, in an orphanage." the pause before "orphanage" carries the tone shift in the scene, so hold it rather than rushing through.
- Practise "to be able to kick a ball, a bag of wind." as one phrase; the offhand description lands better if the words run together the way McGrath says them.
- Finish on "in fairness now, you were more than accepted" and "I think I was a very, very lucky man" back to back, since together they carry the emotional turn of the opening.