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Latihan shadowing: Rabbit Hole: Does Tim Ferriss Dream In Japanese?

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  1. British supremacy in messaging services, we need to try and get everybody to use WhatsApp.British supremacy in messaging services, we need to try and get everybody to use WhatsApp.0:00
  2. The superior messaging system and Americans refuse to use it.The superior messaging system and Americans refuse to use it.0:05
  3. Do you not think?Do you not think?0:08
  4. We was talking about this earlier as to why Americans don't use WhatsApp more.We was talking about this earlier as to why Americans don't use WhatsApp more.0:09
  5. One of the theories is that America had free SMS before anybody else.One of the theories is that America had free SMS before anybody else.0:14
  6. So us Brits had to pay.So us Brits had to pay.0:20
  7. How much did it used to be for a text back in the day?How much did it used to be for a text back in the day?0:22
  8. 15p maybe?15p maybe?0:24
  9. 15p.15p.0:25
  10. 10p.10p.0:26
  11. 10p.10p.0:26
  12. That would ramp up very fast.That would ramp up very fast.0:27
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  1. That was why people used to use Leet's speak.That was why people used to use Leet's speak.0:28
  2. That was why you was there, my L -Y, because you were trying to snap everything to under 160 characters.That was why you was there, my L -Y, because you were trying to snap everything to under 160 characters.0:30
  3. I once, when I was 14 years old, had my first ever girlfriend and we would text and we would text.I once, when I was 14 years old, had my first ever girlfriend and we would text and we would text.0:36
  4. And we would text.And we would text.0:43
  5. You fucking bankrupted yourself.You fucking bankrupted yourself.0:44
  6. My dad's obviously.My dad's obviously.0:47
  7. My dad comes down one day and you know when you have like A4 that you'd stack in a printer?My dad comes down one day and you know when you have like A4 that you'd stack in a printer?0:49
  8. He just drops that.He just drops that.0:53
  9. So it's on the phone bill and then wrapped up about 800 pounds.So it's on the phone bill and then wrapped up about 800 pounds.0:54
  10. Itemized bills.Itemized bills.0:58
  11. Text messages, yes.Text messages, yes.0:59
  12. So I then sent her one.So I then sent her one.1:00
  13. That's a lot of sexting at 14.That's a lot of sexting at 14.1:01
  14. I then sent her one final text, which was can't do text anymore.I then sent her one final text, which was can't do text anymore.1:03
  15. Let's do calls.Let's do calls.1:06
  16. So we did calls all the time.So we did calls all the time.1:07
  17. Next month.Next month.1:09
  18. So I had to pay off about 1 ,200, 1 ,300 pounds of debt to my father.So I had to pay off about 1 ,200, 1 ,300 pounds of debt to my father.1:11
  19. Still paying it off.Still paying it off.1:16
  20. Yeah.Iya.1:17
  21. Payment of payment plan.Payment of payment plan.1:17
  22. Dad, you're cock blocking me.Dad, you're cock blocking me.1:19
  23. So that's how I'm 14.So that's how I'm 14.1:20
  24. I'm trying to get my cred up.I'm trying to get my cred up.1:22
  25. But yeah, I just, WhatsApp's the superior.But yeah, I just, WhatsApp's the superior.1:24
  26. Tim uses WhatsApp.Tim uses WhatsApp.1:25
  27. Tim's good on WhatsApp.Tim's good on WhatsApp.1:26
  28. I mean, look, I use every new inbox that is slowly eroding the sanity of everybody who's the same to us.I mean, look, I use every new inbox that is slowly eroding the sanity of everybody who's the same to us.1:27
  29. Do you guys see the Nikita Beard tweet a long time ago?Do you guys see the Nikita Beard tweet a long time ago?1:34
  30. It feels like, he said something like, every time I use WhatsApp, it feels like I landed in a third world country.It feels like, he said something like, every time I use WhatsApp, it feels like I landed in a third world country.1:37
  31. You're allowed to say that.You're allowed to say that.1:44
  32. Okay, fair enough.Okay, fair enough.1:45
  33. You're allowed to say that.You're allowed to say that.1:46
  34. But no, I'm really.But no, I'm really.1:47
  35. We race swapped.We race swapped.1:48
  36. I dropped on Long Island.I dropped on Long Island.1:48
  37. I think I'm allowed to say it too.Aku pikir i'm allowed to say it too..1:50
  38. Rewait, race swapped, Sean, for you.Rewait, race swapped, Sean, for you.1:50
  39. Fair enough.Fair enough.1:52
  40. That's the primary reason.That's the primary reason.1:53
  41. I think I'm sitting in the same spot too.Aku pikir i'm sitting in the same spot too..1:54
  42. That's correct.That's correct.1:55
  43. People are like, Sean, he's lost weight and the beard's gone.People are like, Sean, he's lost weight and the beard's gone.1:56
  44. This is the designated seat for the minority.This is the designated seat for the minority.1:59
  45. You grew up on Long Island.You grew up on Long Island.2:03
  46. I didn't know that.I didn't know that.2:04
  47. Why?Kenapa?2:05
  48. Oh yeah, way up at Montauk.Oh yeah, way up at Montauk.2:06
  49. Back when there were potato farms.Back when there were potato farms.2:08
  50. That explains a lot.That explains a lot.2:10
  51. That has changed.That has changed.2:10
  52. Now there are night clubs that make all the locals crazy.Now there are night clubs that make all the locals crazy.2:11
  53. But yes.But yes.2:14
  54. So is that beyond the Hamptons?So is that beyond the Hamptons?2:14
  55. Yeah, Montauk is the end of the line.Yeah, Montauk is the end of the line.2:16
  56. So if you take Long Island Railroad out from New York City, we'll end in Montauk.So if you take Long Island Railroad out from New York City, we'll end in Montauk.2:18
  57. And it was perfectly fine place to grow up.And it was perfectly fine place to grow up.2:25
  58. I didn't realize how strange it was until I got older.I didn't realize how strange it was until I got older.2:28
  59. Why is it strange?Why is it strange?2:30
  60. Well, when you're growing up, what is around you is normal because even a reference point.Well, when you're growing up, what is around you is normal because even a reference point.2:31
  61. But you're growing up in a location where you have a barbell of income and wealth distribution.But you're growing up in a location where you have a barbell of income and wealth distribution.2:36
  62. So you've got all of the, let's just say, the broad Hamptons that people know, which would have like the $100 million homes on the beach and all these famousSo you've got all of the, let's just say, the broad Hamptons that people know, which would have like the $100 million homes on the beach and all these famous2:44
  63. directors and financiers and little white shorts playing tennis.directors and financiers and little white shorts playing tennis.2:54
  64. And then you have, on the other hand, like affordable housing when I was growing up, like crack epidemic in certain parts.And then you have, on the other hand, like affordable housing when I was growing up, like crack epidemic in certain parts.2:58
  65. So I didn't realize how much was missing from the middle of the whole thing.So I didn't realize how much was missing from the middle of the whole thing.3:04
  66. Okay.Oke.3:07
  67. Have you ever seen Mickey Mantle's questionnaire answer on the 50th anniversary of the Yankees Stadium?Have you ever seen Mickey Mantle's questionnaire answer on the 50th anniversary of the Yankees Stadium?3:08
  68. So I feel like this is the kind of question my dad asked me.So I feel like this is the kind of question my dad asked me.3:16
  69. He's like, do you know?He's like, do you know?3:19
  70. All right.All right.3:19
  71. Henry Rubenstein from 1839.Henry Rubenstein from 1839.3:19
  72. I'm like, no, I'm sorry.I'm like, no, I'm sorry.3:22
  73. I don't.I don't.3:23
  74. Mickey Mantle describes in basically a yearbook for the Yankees Stadium.Mickey Mantle describes in basically a yearbook for the Yankees Stadium.3:23
  75. It's the 50th anniversary of Yankees Stadium happening.It's the 50th anniversary of Yankees Stadium happening.3:29
  76. Mickey Mantle.Mickey Mantle.3:32
  77. Everybody has asked, tell us what your most outstanding experience at Yankee Stadium was.Everybody has asked, tell us what your most outstanding experience at Yankee Stadium was.3:32
  78. And this was sold for $242 ,000 not long ago, a few years ago.And this was sold for $242 ,000 not long ago, a few years ago.3:38
  79. He said, I consider the following my outstanding experience at Yankee Stadium.He said, I consider the following my outstanding experience at Yankee Stadium.3:44
  80. It's like a questionnaire.It's like a questionnaire.3:48
  81. He goes, I got a blowjob under the right field bleachers by the Yankee bullpen.He goes, I got a blowjob under the right field bleachers by the Yankee bullpen.3:50
  82. And then below that it says, this event occurred on or about.And then below that it says, this event occurred on or about.3:54
  83. Brackets give as much detail as you can.Brackets give as much detail as you can.3:58
  84. He says, it was about the third or fourth inning.He says, it was about the third or fourth inning.4:00
  85. I had pulled a groin and couldn't walk at the time.I had pulled a groin and couldn't walk at the time.4:03
  86. She was a very nice girl and asked me what to do with the come after I came in her mouth.She was a very nice girl and asked me what to do with the come after I came in her mouth.4:05
  87. I said, don't ask me.Jangan tanya.4:11
  88. I'm no cocksucker.I'm no cocksucker.4:13
  89. Signed Mickey Mantle, the all -American boy.Signed Mickey Mantle, the all -American boy.4:15
  90. And that was sold about five years ago for $242 ,000.And that was sold about five years ago for $242 ,000.4:17
  91. Wow.Wow.4:21
  92. Speaking of hedge fund managers, I'm sure that's in the guest bathroom of some hedge fund managers third home.Speaking of hedge fund managers, I'm sure that's in the guest bathroom of some hedge fund managers third home.4:22
  93. It's a bargain.It's a bargain.4:29
  94. You don't think that's a bargain?Nggak pikir.4:30
  95. In Montauk or thereabouts.In Montauk or thereabouts.4:31
  96. Like baseball has got a lot of superstition, but that feels like it's taking it to an extreme.Like baseball has got a lot of superstition, but that feels like it's taking it to an extreme.4:34
  97. There's like a baseball player that had never washed his helmet or cleaned it or did anything for his entire career.There's like a baseball player that had never washed his helmet or cleaned it or did anything for his entire career.4:39
  98. Literally, the helmet look, I think it's Craig Bezier if I'm not mistaken, but the helmet was just, and he believed in that so much that it had to beAku pikir y, the helmet look, i think it's craig bezier if i'm not mistaken, but the helmet was just, and he believed in that so much that it had to be.4:46
  99. that way, never changed.that way, never changed.4:55
  100. You see when the guys walk out and they go right glove, left glove, tap, tap on the foot.You see when the guys walk out and they go right glove, left glove, tap, tap on the foot.4:56
  101. Yeah.Iya.5:01
  102. It goes from being a preference to routine to superstition to ritual to basically something sacred.It goes from being a preference to routine to superstition to ritual to basically something sacred.5:02
  103. It's essentially a rain dance that every.It's essentially a rain dance that every.5:08
  104. Or mental illness.Or mental illness.5:10
  105. I think those two crossover.Aku pikir those two crossover..5:12
  106. Going to refer to all of my mental illness as a rain dance for now.Going to refer to all of my mental illness as a rain dance for now.5:13
  107. I'm going to take these suckers off.I'm going to take these suckers off.5:19
  108. That's enough fucking POV porn, which actually was the reason that we wore these when we had a Bonnie Blue on the podcast so we could put POV in theThat's enough fucking POV porn, which actually was the reason that we wore these when we had a Bonnie Blue on the podcast so we could put POV in the5:21
  109. title of the episode.title of the episode.5:28
  110. Has she done one of those with POVs?Has she done one of those with POVs?5:29
  111. I'm sure if you go dark enough and deep enough into the OnlyFans rabbit hole, you can find whatever you need.I'm sure if you go dark enough and deep enough into the OnlyFans rabbit hole, you can find whatever you need.5:31
  112. Let me take my toothpick out of my mouth before I address the table.Let me take my toothpick out of my mouth before I address the table.5:38
  113. One of the things that I've been fascinated with for a while, I know you have as well, Christopher.One of the things that I've been fascinated with for a while, I know you have as well, Christopher.5:42
  114. I don't know about you two gentlemen, but etymologies of everything.Nggak tahu.5:47
  115. I was trying to rank my favorite etymologies or history of certain parts of language.I was trying to rank my favorite etymologies or history of certain parts of language.5:52
  116. One of them is not English, but it's Malaysian.One of them is not English, but it's Malaysian.5:59
  117. And in Malayan culture, they use double rather than plural.And in Malayan culture, they use double rather than plural.6:02
  118. So rather than tables, they will use table table, which is one of my favorite things.So rather than tables, they will use table table, which is one of my favorite things.6:06
  119. What is it?What is it?6:10
  120. Three?Three?6:11
  121. So it doesn't scale.So it doesn't scale.6:11
  122. So it doesn't go.So it doesn't go.6:13
  123. Would be a nightmare if you're a table factory maker.Would be a nightmare if you're a table factory maker.6:14
  124. The same way we just use plural, we'll say tables where you could say four tables.The same way we just use plural, we'll say tables where you could say four tables.6:17
  125. They would say, I assume the number then table table.They would say, I assume the number then table table.6:22
  126. Wow.Wow.6:26
  127. It's such a more fun way of saying things.It's such a more fun way of saying things.6:27
  128. It's the same in Indonesian also.It's the same in Indonesian also.6:29
  129. Yes.Iya.6:31
  130. Like Orang Hutan, man of the forest.Like Orang Hutan, man of the forest.6:31
  131. Orang Orang is men, right?Orang Orang is men, right?6:33
  132. Man, man.Man, man.6:35
  133. Man of the men.Man of the men.6:36
  134. That's something different.That's something different.6:37
  135. Well, no, a man of the man.Well, no, a man of the man.6:38
  136. I think that's just something that you're biopic.Aku pikir that's just something that you're biopic..6:39
  137. It's so much better than.It's so much better than.6:46
  138. A lot of heavy editing.A lot of heavy editing.6:48
  139. One of my favorite ones though, is the word soon.One of my favorite ones though, is the word soon.6:52
  140. So the word soon, I will be there soon, was the Anglo -Saxon word for now.So the word soon, I will be there soon, was the Anglo -Saxon word for now.6:56
  141. But because so many people kept saying, I'll do that soon and didn't do it then, we then created the word now to replace it and soon is what itBut because so many people kept saying, I'll do that soon and didn't do it then, we then created the word now to replace it and soon is what it7:02
  142. is today.is today.7:13
  143. It's a soon got shifted down in terms of how urgent it means.It's a soon got shifted down in terms of how urgent it means.7:13
  144. Generation by generation.Generation by generation.7:17
  145. And what's interesting now, now has that effect.And what's interesting now, now has that effect.7:18
  146. Where if somebody says, I'll do that now, you don't really take them literally unless they say, I'll do that.Where if somebody says, I'll do that now, you don't really take them literally unless they say, I'll do that.7:21
  147. I'll do that immediately now.I'll do that immediately now.7:27
  148. Yeah.Iya.7:28
  149. So it's interesting that you're seeing this drifting of now, now occur as well.So it's interesting that you're seeing this drifting of now, now occur as well.7:29
  150. I wonder if literally is the same as that.I wonder if literally is the same as that.7:33
  151. Because when people say literally, they don't mean literally.Because when people say literally, they don't mean literally.7:36
  152. Like I literally couldn't believe it.Like I literally couldn't believe it.7:39
  153. Exactly.Tepat.7:40
  154. Well, no, you could believe it.Well, no, you could believe it.7:41
  155. Yes.Iya.7:43
  156. Which is the entire point.Which is the entire point.7:43
  157. My friend, Alessio, he's Italian and he talks about how he has a different personality when he's speaking in Italian.My friend, Alessio, he's Italian and he talks about how he has a different personality when he's speaking in Italian.7:45
  158. The Swedish writer, Henry Carlson, a friend of mine, he talks about how he can access different thoughts in Swedish rather than English.The Swedish writer, Henry Carlson, a friend of mine, he talks about how he can access different thoughts in Swedish rather than English.7:53
  159. You speak multiple languages.You speak multiple languages.8:01
  160. Yeah.Iya.8:04
  161. What's Japanese Tim like?What's Japanese Tim like?8:04
  162. A lot more polite.A lot more polite.8:06
  163. For curses less than Long Island.For curses less than Long Island.8:09
  164. Are you totally fluent in Japanese?Are you totally fluent in Japanese?8:10
  165. Yeah, I can speak Japanese.Yeah, I can speak Japanese.8:12
  166. Amazing.Luar biasa.8:13
  167. What's the story of learning that?What's the story of learning that?8:13
  168. My first international trip, real international trip off of Long Island out of the US was to Japan as an exchange student at 15 for a year.My first international trip, real international trip off of Long Island out of the US was to Japan as an exchange student at 15 for a year.8:15
  169. I went from East Coast to Tokyo and it took him about three weeks just to accept that I was in because I couldn't believe it.I went from East Coast to Tokyo and it took him about three weeks just to accept that I was in because I couldn't believe it.8:25
  170. That's how that happened.That's how that happened.8:35
  171. And it just stuck.And it just stuck.8:36
  172. I was there for a year.I was there for a year.8:37
  173. I went to a Japanese school, all of my classes in Japanese.I went to a Japanese school, all of my classes in Japanese.8:37
  174. I misunderstood what I was told before getting there, which was you're going to have Japanese lessons.I misunderstood what I was told before getting there, which was you're going to have Japanese lessons.8:41
  175. And I was like, oh, great.And I was like, oh, great.8:48
  176. Like Japanese language lessons.Like Japanese language lessons.8:49
  177. And they're like, here's your class schedule.And they're like, here's your class schedule.8:51
  178. And I was like, I can't read any of this.And I was like, I can't read any of this.8:54
  179. And they're like, physics, world history.And they're like, physics, world history.8:55
  180. I'm like, wait, what?I'm like, wait, what?8:58
  181. My lessons are going to be in Japanese.My lessons are going to be in Japanese.8:59
  182. I'm not going to have lessons about it.I'm not going to have lessons about it.9:00
  183. Wow.Wow.9:02
  184. So that will all, especially I was lucky because this was pre -smartphone internet, not much to speak of.So that will all, especially I was lucky because this was pre -smartphone internet, not much to speak of.9:03
  185. So I could not, coming back to WhatsApp, right?So I could not, coming back to WhatsApp, right?9:10
  186. I couldn't procrastinate or avoid learning Japanese by constantly communicating with anyone in English.I couldn't procrastinate or avoid learning Japanese by constantly communicating with anyone in English.9:13
  187. There was no escape.There was no escape.9:19
  188. There was total immersion.There was total immersion.9:20
  189. There was no escape.There was no escape.9:21
  190. That seems to be, I get it, people go and do university courses in Spanish and stuff.That seems to be, I get it, people go and do university courses in Spanish and stuff.9:21
  191. And it's not just the language.And it's not just the language.9:27
  192. Sometimes they're learning about the history and the culture and other stuff like that.Sometimes they're learning about the history and the culture and other stuff like that.9:28
  193. But if you're trying to learn a language, and I did in school, we have to do at least one language in our GCSEs, typically the 11 to 16s inBut if you're trying to learn a language, and I did in school, we have to do at least one language in our GCSEs, typically the 11 to 16s in9:31
  194. the UK.the UK.9:40
  195. And I did Spanish.And I did Spanish.9:41
  196. And apart from the most basic stuff that I've probably remembered because I've gone back out to the country, I basically learned nothing.And apart from the most basic stuff that I've probably remembered because I've gone back out to the country, I basically learned nothing.9:42
  197. It would be, if you just wanted people to learn a language, doing a six -week immersion would teach you maybe the same as a year of weekly classes?It would be, if you just wanted people to learn a language, doing a six -week immersion would teach you maybe the same as a year of weekly classes?9:48
  198. You could do a year in six weeks, no problem.You could do a year in six weeks, no problem.9:57
  199. There's a method called the Michelle Thomas method.There's a method called the Michelle Thomas method.10:00
  200. And Michelle Thomas, male, was a Holocaust survivor, then became an intelligence officer, ended up speaking five or six different languages, and developed a method of getting people up toAnd Michelle Thomas, male, was a Holocaust survivor, then became an intelligence officer, ended up speaking five or six different languages, and developed a method of getting people up to10:04
  201. basic conversational fluency in a week.basic conversational fluency in a week.10:18
  202. Wow.Wow.10:23
  203. In a rush, in a weekend.In a rush, in a weekend.10:24
  204. In terms of giving them the scaffolding of the grammar and so forth.In terms of giving them the scaffolding of the grammar and so forth.10:26
  205. It's a lot like learning some type of very fine motor skill.It's a lot like learning some type of very fine motor skill.10:30
  206. All right, if you wanted to learn how to play tennis, if you're playing once a month, you're never going to learn tennis.All right, if you wanted to learn how to play tennis, if you're playing once a month, you're never going to learn tennis.10:34
  207. Even once a week, you're just not getting the density of practice and the reinforcement for you to go from the unconscious incompetence to conscious competence, etc.Even once a week, you're just not getting the density of practice and the reinforcement for you to go from the unconscious incompetence to conscious competence, etc.10:38
  208. You're just not getting the proper density.You're just not getting the proper density.10:51
  209. So languages, I think you can learn languages a lot faster as an adult than you can as a kid, actually.Aku pikir ages, i think you can learn languages a lot faster as an adult than you can as a kid, actually..10:54
  210. Why?Kenapa?10:59
  211. Because you already have the base layer of labeling and concepts and so on.Because you already have the base layer of labeling and concepts and so on.11:00
  212. And different types of abstraction in the form of, let's just say, grammar or a subjunctive, let's say, if you had a million dollars, what would you do?And different types of abstraction in the form of, let's just say, grammar or a subjunctive, let's say, if you had a million dollars, what would you do?11:08
  213. Or like a hypothetical that is counterfactual.Or like a hypothetical that is counterfactual.11:18
  214. These types of things, I can explain that to you.These types of things, I can explain that to you.11:21
  215. You can't explain that to a three -year -old.You can't explain that to a three -year -old.11:23
  216. When's the last time you talked to a three -year -old?When's the last time you talked to a three -year -old?11:25
  217. They're not actually very good at speaking a given language.They're not actually very good at speaking a given language.11:26
  218. The reason that people mistakenly believe that kids learn faster is because the kids have no choice.The reason that people mistakenly believe that kids learn faster is because the kids have no choice.11:30
  219. The kids have no mortgage.The kids have no mortgage.11:37
  220. The kids have no job.The kids have no job.11:38
  221. Yeah, they're forced into immersion.Yeah, they're forced into immersion.11:40
  222. You have no choice.You have no choice.11:42
  223. Have you heard Nassim Talib's description of how to learn language?Have you heard Nassim Talib's description of how to learn language?11:43
  224. Is it the best way to learn Russian is to go into a Russian jail?Is it the best way to learn Russian is to go into a Russian jail?11:47
  225. That's a harsh trade.That's a harsh trade.11:52
  226. You have to really want to learn Russian.You have to really want to learn Russian.11:55
  227. But you will, you will learn.But you will, you will learn.11:58
  228. Do you think in Japanese, Tim?Menurutmu in japanese, tim??12:00
  229. Yeah, I would say that there's typically an English interface.Yeah, I would say that there's typically an English interface.12:03
  230. But when I was in Japan for a year and then came back to the US, it took me about a month to get back to speaking English.But when I was in Japan for a year and then came back to the US, it took me about a month to get back to speaking English.12:08
  231. I remember the first few days when my mom would come in and wake me up and I would just start speaking to her in Japanese in these days.I remember the first few days when my mom would come in and wake me up and I would just start speaking to her in Japanese in these days.12:16
  232. And it took a while to get back to things.And it took a while to get back to things.12:25
  233. The soon is pretty funny, the etymology of that.The soon is pretty funny, the etymology of that.12:28
  234. And it makes me wonder if the, much like let's say Eskimos and snow, or Hawaiians and water, or whatever, that it depends on the historical punctuality of a culture.And it makes me wonder if the, much like let's say Eskimos and snow, or Hawaiians and water, or whatever, that it depends on the historical punctuality of a culture.12:31
  235. The Italians have got five words for soon.The Italians have got five words for soon.12:45
  236. Well, I think it probably is something like that, right?Aku pikir think it probably is something like that, right?.12:47
  237. Because in Japan, it's like now is now.Because in Japan, it's like now is now.12:50
  238. There is no second, third, fourth way to say it unless you're maybe being really polite.There is no second, third, fourth way to say it unless you're maybe being really polite.12:52
  239. Because the honorifics in Japanese, it's like 12 languages in one, if you really want to be sophisticated with it.Because the honorifics in Japanese, it's like 12 languages in one, if you really want to be sophisticated with it.12:56
  240. But I don't know if they do it in UK, but in South Africa, they have now, then they have now now.Nggak tahu.13:02
  241. Just like in certain places in Latin America, they have like now and then they have now.Just like in certain places in Latin America, they have like now and then they have now.13:10
  242. Like now is kind of like now, but when you get around to it, right?Like now is kind of like now, but when you get around to it, right?13:17
  243. Or when I get around to it.Or when I get around to it.13:22
  244. And then like, now is like, hey asshole, now actually means right now.And then like, now is like, hey asshole, now actually means right now.13:24
  245. What do you think is the latest nationality on the planet?Menurutmu is the latest nationality on the planet??13:28
  246. Brazil?Brazil?13:33
  247. The latest.The latest.13:35
  248. If you were to, I'm going to organize a dinner with somebody and I can pick a bunch of different nationalities.If you were to, I'm going to organize a dinner with somebody and I can pick a bunch of different nationalities.13:35
  249. Which one's going to arrive on average last?Which one's going to arrive on average last?13:41
  250. I feel like the got like the Olympics, but in reverse.I feel like the got like the Olympics, but in reverse.13:44
  251. Have you ever heard of Indian standard time?Have you ever heard of Indian standard time?13:47
  252. Because it's one hour later, then it's actually supposed to start.Because it's one hour later, then it's actually supposed to start.13:53
  253. So it turns out a long time ago, people would go to the movies.So it turns out a long time ago, people would go to the movies.13:56
  254. And you know, the movie doesn't start on time, which is absolutely hilarious.And you know, the movie doesn't start on time, which is absolutely hilarious.13:59
  255. Everybody just expects and then the whole term Indian standard time came about, which is absolutely hilarious, but it's typically referred to as one hour past something is after theEverybody just expects and then the whole term Indian standard time came about, which is absolutely hilarious, but it's typically referred to as one hour past something is after the14:03
  256. actual time.actual time.14:13
  257. So I've heard Brazilians refer to Brazilian time also.So I've heard Brazilians refer to Brazilian time also.14:13
  258. Or what is the least functional?Or what is the least functional?14:16
  259. Anywhere that's got good, I think you can talk about culture and people and stuff like that.Aku pikir that's got good, i think you can talk about culture and people and stuff like that..14:20
  260. But what's more interesting is to just talk about what is the lifestyle of that particular ecosystem.But what's more interesting is to just talk about what is the lifestyle of that particular ecosystem.14:25
  261. So if you're going to go Spain, Italy, Portugal, they're just, you've got wonderful weather late nights throughout the summer.So if you're going to go Spain, Italy, Portugal, they're just, you've got wonderful weather late nights throughout the summer.14:30
  262. Everyone's smoking, having a red wine.Everyone's smoking, having a red wine.14:39
  263. But you've been a Palma Mallorca or wherever and you see people outside, sat on wrought iron chairs, having a pre -dinner cigarette at 10 30 PM at night.But you've been a Palma Mallorca or wherever and you see people outside, sat on wrought iron chairs, having a pre -dinner cigarette at 10 30 PM at night.14:40
  264. These are old people.These are old people.14:49
  265. They're not going out.They're not going out.14:50
  266. Oh, this isn't the beginning of them going out to go and party and head to the club afterward.Oh, this isn't the beginning of them going out to go and party and head to the club afterward.14:51
  267. Not going STK for a nighttime party brunch.Not going STK for a nighttime party brunch.14:54
  268. So I would say maybe some of the Mediterranean places like that.So I would say maybe some of the Mediterranean places like that.14:57
  269. I guess, as I think further afield, I don't know much about India, but perhaps there are others that...Nggak pikir.15:01
  270. Neither do I, but it is genealogically.Neither do I, but it is genealogically.15:07
  271. Tim, you know a lot about Denmark.Tim, you know a lot about Denmark.15:11
  272. I'm like, I don't know.Nggak tahu.15:12
  273. I wonder, this is really hippy crack shit, but this is what we're here for.I wonder, this is really hippy crack shit, but this is what we're here for.15:14
  274. Oh, now we're getting to do that.Oh, now we're getting to do that.15:19
  275. I wonder, it's like that sapphire warp hypothesis of how much...I wonder, it's like that sapphire warp hypothesis of how much...15:21
  276. Lost me.Lost me.15:25
  277. That didn't sound hippy friendly.That didn't sound hippy friendly.15:27
  278. He'll get that.He'll get that.15:28
  279. The idea is that it's the Wittgenstein court of the limits of my world or the limits of my language.The idea is that it's the Wittgenstein court of the limits of my world or the limits of my language.15:29
  280. We think that we shape language, but language shapes us and it feels immediately so trivial, so esoteric to have the conversation.We think that we shape language, but language shapes us and it feels immediately so trivial, so esoteric to have the conversation.15:34
  281. Everybody kind of dismisses languages.Everybody kind of dismisses languages.15:43
  282. It's almost like neurolinguistic programming that we shouldn't take it seriously.It's almost like neurolinguistic programming that we shouldn't take it seriously.15:45
  283. But how much the words that we use.But how much the words that we use.15:49
  284. So I wonder, obviously, England, Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, share this English ancestry, but how much then that they have the same language keeps the culture similarSo I wonder, obviously, England, Australia, America, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, share this English ancestry, but how much then that they have the same language keeps the culture similar15:51
  285. as well, versus if you fork the language, do you change?as well, versus if you fork the language, do you change?16:03
  286. I don't know, man.Nggak tahu.16:06
  287. If you go and meet a South African and you compare them to a Scottish person, they're quite different.If you go and meet a South African and you compare them to a Scottish person, they're quite different.16:06
  288. So you're...So you're...16:10
  289. True.Benar.16:10
  290. Both angry.Both angry.16:11
  291. Both very angry.Both very angry.16:12
  292. You talk very angry.You talk very angry.16:12
  293. So there you go.So there you go.16:14
  294. And we had this at my birthday.And we had this at my birthday.16:14
  295. I was in the middle of nowhere.I was in the middle of nowhere.16:16
  296. I didn't realize the spectrum exists when it comes to how people think as well.I didn't realize the spectrum exists when it comes to how people think as well.16:17
  297. So we had my friend Billy and my friend Cameron.So we had my friend Billy and my friend Cameron.16:20
  298. And Billy can't think visually at all.And Billy can't think visually at all.16:24
  299. So he can only think in words.So he can only think in words.16:29
  300. Cameron can't think in words at all.Cameron can't think in words at all.16:31
  301. She can only think visually.She can only think visually.16:34
  302. And you see this as a best that you can do, imagine an apple in your mind.And you see this as a best that you can do, imagine an apple in your mind.16:36
  303. What level of detail can you see the apple at?What level of detail can you see the apple at?16:40
  304. Could you pull that up, Jared?Could you pull that up, Jared?16:42
  305. The apple visual test.The apple visual test.16:43
  306. The lack of it.The lack of it.16:44
  307. I think it's called aphantasia.Aku pikir it's called aphantasia..16:46
  308. Yes.Iya.16:48
  309. Yeah, aphantasia.Yeah, aphantasia.16:48
  310. How do you guys think?How do you guys think?16:49
  311. Do you think more in words?Menurutmu more in words??16:50
  312. Do you think more in visions?Menurutmu more in visions??16:52
  313. Imagine an apple in your mind.Imagine an apple in your mind.16:53
  314. What level of detail can you see the apple with?What level of detail can you see the apple with?16:54
  315. You know when growing up, there was this whole people with very visual memories or whatever, they would just look at something and then effectively recite, you know...You know when growing up, there was this whole people with very visual memories or whatever, they would just look at something and then effectively recite, you know...16:57
  316. Identity.Identity.17:07
  317. 50 words.50 words.17:08
  318. Identity is what people think of as photographic.Identity is what people think of as photographic.17:08
  319. The photographic's done.The photographic's done.17:11
  320. So Billy, for example, would be number five.So Billy, for example, would be number five.17:12
  321. He would just think the word apple.He would just think the word apple.17:16
  322. Fascinating.Menarik.17:18
  323. And then the Cameron could see the apple, but if you asked her to create that, to see the word apple in her mind, she couldn't do it at all.And then the Cameron could see the apple, but if you asked her to create that, to see the word apple in her mind, she couldn't do it at all.17:19
  324. I asked her how does she count in her head and she said it stares.I asked her how does she count in her head and she said it stares.17:30
  325. She visualizes stares.She visualizes stares.17:35
  326. Sounds exhausting.Sounds exhausting.17:36
  327. I mean, I'm about 10 out that direction.I mean, I'm about 10 out that direction.17:37
  328. Oh, wow.Oh, wow.17:40
  329. It's really hyper visual memory.It's really hyper visual memory.17:41
  330. Like I can remember almost every floor plan of every restaurant I've ever been in.Like I can remember almost every floor plan of every restaurant I've ever been in.17:43
  331. What's the mo...What's the mo...17:47
  332. I mean, I'm not trying to store that.I mean, I'm not trying to store that.17:48
  333. So 10, 10, where we went for dinner the other evening, can you remember?So 10, 10, where we went for dinner the other evening, can you remember?17:52
  334. The table.The table.17:56
  335. Yeah.Iya.17:57
  336. What was on the table?What was on the table?17:57
  337. I don't remember the name of the number of the table, but it's like the server door was directed to our left, right?I don't remember the name of the number of the table, but it's like the server door was directed to our left, right?17:59
  338. We were effectively the last booth at the edge.We were effectively the last booth at the edge.18:05
  339. The bar was to my right, near of us to my left here, right?The bar was to my right, near of us to my left here, right?18:09
  340. You were here, sort of at my like two o 'clock.You were here, sort of at my like two o 'clock.18:14
  341. So we ordered way too much edamame.So we ordered way too much edamame.18:19
  342. No, no, no, we ordered the right amount of edamame, which is too much edamame.No, no, no, we ordered the right amount of edamame, which is too much edamame.18:22
  343. It's just the only amount of edamame that's appropriate.It's just the only amount of edamame that's appropriate.18:26
  344. I mean, it depends on how many gallons of oil you like on your edamame.I mean, it depends on how many gallons of oil you like on your edamame.18:28
  345. That's true.That's true.18:31
  346. I think salted edamame, when you start to try and spice up edamame too much, ruins it.Aku pikir salted edamame, when you start to try and spice up edamame too much, ruins it..18:32
  347. But here's what I would say, just to quickly put something to this, I don't want people to feel badly if they can't go out a few standard deviations towardsNggak pergi.18:37
  348. like the hyper, like hypernesia, right?like the hyper, like hypernesia, right?18:46
  349. The opposite of amnesia.The opposite of amnesia.18:50
  350. Because when you have, my dad has this as well, really exaggerated development of certain types of memory, it can make it really hard to let go of grievances, slightsBecause when you have, my dad has this as well, really exaggerated development of certain types of memory, it can make it really hard to let go of grievances, slights18:51
  351. against you.against you.19:05
  352. The email that you sent that ended up, whatever it is, right?The email that you sent that ended up, whatever it is, right?19:06
  353. You'll add as well.You'll add as well.19:11
  354. There is an advantage.There is an advantage.19:12
  355. There are some tremendous advantages to forgetting.There are some tremendous advantages to forgetting.19:15
  356. And so when you're not as selective, you could argue it's almost counter -revolutionary, past a certain point to have an overly developed memory, I would say.And so when you're not as selective, you could argue it's almost counter -revolutionary, past a certain point to have an overly developed memory, I would say.19:18
  357. Yeah, I think I can recall one of the things that I was talking to somebody about was that I have vivid face recognition, almost like the face ID typeAku pikir think i can recall one of the things that i was talking to somebody about was that i have vivid face recognition, almost like the face id type.19:27
  358. situation.situation.19:40
  359. And I can remember faces that I've seen only one time 15 years ago.And I can remember faces that I've seen only one time 15 years ago.19:40
  360. Problem is this becomes socially awkward oftentimes.Problem is this becomes socially awkward oftentimes.19:47
  361. You mean it's a massive asymmetry.You mean it's a massive asymmetry.19:50
  362. Right.Benar.19:52
  363. You're like, I know everything about you because we met once and this was 10 years ago, but you can't really bring that up.You're like, I know everything about you because we met once and this was 10 years ago, but you can't really bring that up.19:52
  364. Okay, do you freak?Okay, do you freak?20:00
  365. Yeah, it's like, it's very creepy.Yeah, it's like, it's very creepy.20:00
  366. You sound like a stalker.You sound like a stalker.20:02
  367. Exactly, but I did not research them.Exactly, but I did not research them.20:03
  368. Similarly with quotes and visuals, I think I personally have a very, very vivid like visual element and I can probably look at something once.Aku pikir y with quotes and visuals, i think i personally have a very, very vivid like visual element and i can probably look at something once..20:05
  369. And then 10 years later, if you quiz me, I would probably get about 90 % of that correct.And then 10 years later, if you quiz me, I would probably get about 90 % of that correct.20:14
  370. That's wild.That's wild.20:19
  371. Do you want to tell the story?Do you want to tell the story?20:20
  372. But the forgetting part is crazy.But the forgetting part is crazy.20:21
  373. Do you want to tell the story about the first elevator we ever got into together?Do you want to tell the story about the first elevator we ever got into together?20:23
  374. Oh my God, yes.Oh my God, yes.20:26
  375. I actually, I think there was a new appointment of an Xbox CEO and she was like, I made a tweet about it.Aku pikir ly, i think there was a new appointment of an xbox ceo and she was like, i made a tweet about it..20:28
  376. I was like, wait, she doesn't really have any experience with gaming.I was like, wait, she doesn't really have any experience with gaming.20:36
  377. And then Chris and I were in the elevator and turns out she was there.And then Chris and I were in the elevator and turns out she was there.20:40
  378. Well, you're leaving out one critical footnote.Well, you're leaving out one critical footnote.20:44
  379. That tweet was not seen by two people.That tweet was not seen by two people.20:48
  380. It was millions of people.It was millions of people.20:50
  381. So you call out the Xbox CEO.So you call out the Xbox CEO.20:52
  382. I was just simply remarking about culture in the way that people frame this because like, it's a unique development.I was just simply remarking about culture in the way that people frame this because like, it's a unique development.20:57
  383. But I put my foot in it.But I put my foot in it.21:04
  384. I put my foot in it.I put my foot in it.21:05
  385. Yeah, that was hilarious.Yeah, that was hilarious.21:06
  386. I'm trying to big up my friend who recognizes the Xbox CEO.I'm trying to big up my friend who recognizes the Xbox CEO.21:08
  387. It goes, hey, you're the CEO of Xbox.It goes, hey, you're the CEO of Xbox.21:11
  388. There's some unassuming lady dressed real nice, had maybe a partner or security or something with her.There's some unassuming lady dressed real nice, had maybe a partner or security or something with her.21:13
  389. I'm like, you identify it correctly and she sort of sheepishly is like, yeah, yeah, I am.I'm like, you identify it correctly and she sort of sheepishly is like, yeah, yeah, I am.21:18
  390. That's me.That's me.21:23
  391. And I think you introduced yourself.Aku pikir ink you introduced yourself..21:24
  392. She was very nervous about it.She was very nervous about it.21:25
  393. A little, yes, she was sheepish about it, which was quite charming.A little, yes, she was sheepish about it, which was quite charming.21:26
  394. And she was the actual CEO.And she was the actual CEO.21:29
  395. I was like, wait, that person's usually just like so into it or whatever.I was like, wait, that person's usually just like so into it or whatever.21:30
  396. And I said, well, you should, it is signal on X.And I said, well, you should, it is signal on X.21:34
  397. You must be a fantastic writer and detecting all the rest of this stuff.You must be a fantastic writer and detecting all the rest of this stuff.21:38
  398. There is a 100 % chance that she saw your tweet.There is a 100 % chance that she saw your tweet.21:41
  399. And immediately as soon as I said that, the fucking atmosphere in the elevator went frosty as hell.And immediately as soon as I said that, the fucking atmosphere in the elevator went frosty as hell.21:44
  400. It was, look, I, nothing against her personally, but tried to do something nice for a friend.It was, look, I, nothing against her personally, but tried to do something nice for a friend.21:50
  401. It was wonderful.It was wonderful.21:55
  402. Came back to, came back to buy you.Came back to, came back to buy you.21:56
  403. No, and that has happened multiple times.No, and that has happened multiple times.21:57
  404. I think going back to Tim's point about the forgetting part, I think about this a lot, which is what a great feature of the mind in some sense, likeAku pikir going back to tim's point about the forgetting part, i think about this a lot, which is what a great feature of the mind in some sense, like.21:59
  405. the forgetting part.the forgetting part.22:07
  406. Like I think about AI memory.Aku pikir hink about ai memory..22:09
  407. You know, today it's so easy to build, like tell AI to extract some fact and try to remember it.You know, today it's so easy to build, like tell AI to extract some fact and try to remember it.22:10
  408. And we store it somewhere and then you basically use it for some other thing.And we store it somewhere and then you basically use it for some other thing.22:17
  409. It's very common.It's very common.22:21
  410. People are doing it.People are doing it.22:22
  411. How do you forget?How do you forget?22:24
  412. Yeah.Iya.22:25
  413. How does like an AI forget memories?How does like an AI forget memories?22:25
  414. Like what is it?Like what is it?22:28
  415. There's no pruning.There's no pruning.22:29
  416. Yeah.Iya.22:29
  417. And then like.And then like.22:30
  418. Of salience.Of salience.22:30
  419. How do you think about the world with respect to, you know, building sort of artificial memory constraints, just like the human mind and the forgetting part is such anMenurutmu about the world with respect to, you know, building sort of artificial memory constraints, just like the human mind and the forgetting part is such an?22:31
  420. essential element.essential element.22:39
  421. Like that is no longer relevant or that is not important at the moment.Like that is no longer relevant or that is not important at the moment.22:40
  422. The AI systems don't really know that.Nggak tahu.22:46
  423. And so when you pass in a bunch of these memories into context, which is what a lot of these companies do, turns out you get a lot of noise.And so when you pass in a bunch of these memories into context, which is what a lot of these companies do, turns out you get a lot of noise.22:49
  424. And it tries to make these connections that are mine.And it tries to make these connections that are mine.22:57
  425. That's what it's like to me, Tim.That's what it's like to me, Tim.23:00
  426. There you go.There you go.23:01
  427. Well, if people want a real exaggerated case of not forgetting, there's an old book called The Mind of a Nemonist, like mnemonic device, The Mind of a Nemonist byWell, if people want a real exaggerated case of not forgetting, there's an old book called The Mind of a Nemonist, like mnemonic device, The Mind of a Nemonist by23:02
  428. AJ Luria, which is effectively an extended case study of someone who never forgets.AJ Luria, which is effectively an extended case study of someone who never forgets.23:13
  429. And there are other ways to look at it.And there are other ways to look at it.23:19
  430. I think there's a dot called Brain Man about Daniel Dennett.Aku pikir there's a dot called brain man about daniel dennett..23:22
  431. I think I'm getting that right.Aku pikir i'm getting that right..23:25
  432. And the atheist.And the atheist.23:26
  433. You know what?You know what?23:29
  434. The Dennett, I might be mixing it up with the philosopher who passed away, but it's something very close to that.The Dennett, I might be mixing it up with the philosopher who passed away, but it's something very close to that.23:31
  435. But people can look up Brain Man.But people can look up Brain Man.23:37
  436. I talked to George yesterday about Savante syndrome.I talked to George yesterday about Savante syndrome.23:38
  437. You know what this is?You know what this is?23:41
  438. So there was a famous case of a guy called Thomas McHugh, a British guy.So there was a famous case of a guy called Thomas McHugh, a British guy.23:43
  439. So in his early years, he was in a youth prison, was a bit of a disruptor, kind of a hooligan type guy.So in his early years, he was in a youth prison, was a bit of a disruptor, kind of a hooligan type guy.23:47
  440. And he's in his 50s, early 50s.And he's in his 50s, early 50s.23:55
  441. And on the bathroom, he shits himself so aggressively that he causes an annulate, like a blood explosion in his brain.And on the bathroom, he shits himself so aggressively that he causes an annulate, like a blood explosion in his brain.23:58
  442. And then as he's on the floor, he's terrified that someone's going to find him with his pants around his ankles.And then as he's on the floor, he's terrified that someone's going to find him with his pants around his ankles.24:06
  443. So he tries to pull his pants up and causes another one to go off.So he tries to pull his pants up and causes another one to go off.24:12
  444. Completely like pops both sides of his brain, wakes up in the hospital a few days later, and turns into a obsessive painter who can only speak in rhyme andCompletely like pops both sides of his brain, wakes up in the hospital a few days later, and turns into a obsessive painter who can only speak in rhyme and24:15
  445. paints between three or six or nine paintings at any one time, paints for 19 hours a day, and couldn't bear to think about suffering.paints between three or six or nine paintings at any one time, paints for 19 hours a day, and couldn't bear to think about suffering.24:27
  446. So it sort of sweep the steps in front of him as he was like some Buddhist guy, just had a total come to art moment.So it sort of sweep the steps in front of him as he was like some Buddhist guy, just had a total come to art moment.24:36
  447. But yeah, shat himself so aggressively that he had acquired Savante syndrome.But yeah, shat himself so aggressively that he had acquired Savante syndrome.24:43
  448. I think if you're a great athlete, for example, you've got to learn how to forget.Aku pikir if you're a great athlete, for example, you've got to learn how to forget..24:46
  449. You guys know about Yip's in baseball and other places.You guys know about Yip's in baseball and other places.24:52
  450. So it turns out, it's like typically you make an error or you do something egregiously wrong in sports, everybody's watching.So it turns out, it's like typically you make an error or you do something egregiously wrong in sports, everybody's watching.24:55
  451. And then you sort of have this phantom reaction or whatever, and then that continuously happens.And then you sort of have this phantom reaction or whatever, and then that continuously happens.25:06
  452. And Yip's is like somebody throwing that ball and there's some famous players that have dealt with this problem.And Yip's is like somebody throwing that ball and there's some famous players that have dealt with this problem.25:12
  453. And turns out, you know, you've got to forget.And turns out, you know, you've got to forget.25:18
  454. It's like a conditioned hesitancy or flinch getting in your own involuntary potential reaction.It's like a conditioned hesitancy or flinch getting in your own involuntary potential reaction.25:23
  455. But I'm not quite sure how it relates to the memory aspect of it.But I'm not quite sure how it relates to the memory aspect of it.25:29
  456. But ultimately, when you're a great athlete, you watch a game tape afterwards, you're like, okay, I process it, and then you have to discard that.But ultimately, when you're a great athlete, you watch a game tape afterwards, you're like, okay, I process it, and then you have to discard that.25:35
  457. You learn from it and you move on.You learn from it and you move on.25:44
  458. Do you guys see the Mark Andreessen stuff about retard maxing?Do you guys see the Mark Andreessen stuff about retard maxing?25:45
  459. Retard maxing.Retard maxing.25:49
  460. That, I think component wise, I asked Huubam a lot.Aku pikir think component wise, i asked huubam a lot..25:51
  461. How many times does that word get said?How many times does that word get said?25:56
  462. Huubam, if he's personally threatened by the retard maxing movement.Huubam, if he's personally threatened by the retard maxing movement.25:57
  463. What do you say?What do you say?26:01
  464. I think he is.Aku pikir he is..26:02
  465. His entire career has been built on anti -retard maxing.His entire career has been built on anti -retard maxing.26:04
  466. And there's a lot of these people who have like, you know, they have a set of context.And there's a lot of these people who have like, you know, they have a set of context.26:07
  467. I don't know why I refer to everything like this.Nggak tahu.26:13
  468. And then they sort of keep it around.And then they sort of keep it around.26:14
  469. But it's super valuable to discard some of that stuff because ultimately, none of that really matters.But it's super valuable to discard some of that stuff because ultimately, none of that really matters.26:17
  470. I think Sam Harris, all this stuff, go.Aku pikir sam harris, all this stuff, go..26:23
  471. No, go, go, go.No, go, go, go.26:25
  472. No, I think it was just really interesting.Aku pikir ink it was just really interesting..26:25
  473. The present matters the most.The present matters the most.26:28
  474. People tend to focus on the future a lot more.People tend to focus on the future a lot more.26:31
  475. Anxiety, the worries or whatever.Anxiety, the worries or whatever.26:35
  476. And then they marry that with the past.And then they marry that with the past.26:37
  477. And I think this is one of the things I personally am like, how do I live in the moment, think about what matters and focus on a few things.Aku pikir ink this is one of the things i personally am like, how do i live in the moment, think about what matters and focus on a few things..26:39
  478. And then maximize it.And then maximize it.26:47
  479. What's learning from my experience as well.What's learning from my experience as well.26:48
  480. Exactly.Tepat.26:49
  481. But you learn from it, but you don't dwell on it.But you learn from it, but you don't dwell on it.26:49
  482. You don't ruminate on it.You don't ruminate on it.26:52
  483. You don't, I think people, I had to move neighborhoods from a breakup.Nggak pikir.26:53
  484. Because every time I walked around, I could vividly feel the moments that occurred in that place.Because every time I walked around, I could vividly feel the moments that occurred in that place.26:58
  485. From a coffee shop to, I don't know, like a flower shop to a restaurant.Nggak tahu.27:07
  486. A dog that you regularly see with its walker.A dog that you regularly see with its walker.27:14
  487. I walk in a restaurant and I'm like, I sat there.I walk in a restaurant and I'm like, I sat there.27:15
  488. You know, this person was next to me.You know, this person was next to me.27:18
  489. I knew exactly what we talked about.I knew exactly what we talked about.27:21
  490. I knew exactly how that moment ended.I knew exactly how that moment ended.27:23
  491. And I could replay that every single time I took another step.And I could replay that every single time I took another step.27:25
  492. Dude, one of the best stories I've heard about this is from Alain de Botton.Dude, one of the best stories I've heard about this is from Alain de Botton.27:29
  493. And he's describing being in Paris.And he's describing being in Paris.27:33
  494. And it's an early summer day, beautiful weather outside, a little cloudy, a little bit of sun.And it's an early summer day, beautiful weather outside, a little cloudy, a little bit of sun.27:35
  495. And it's sort of late afternoon, classic European fashion.And it's sort of late afternoon, classic European fashion.27:41
  496. This French couple are sat around a small table, wrought iron chairs, and they've got a couple of espressos, and they're just so deeply in love.This French couple are sat around a small table, wrought iron chairs, and they've got a couple of espressos, and they're just so deeply in love.27:44
  497. Young couple, sort of maybe mid -20s, something like that.Young couple, sort of maybe mid -20s, something like that.27:51
  498. He's got this line.He's got this line.27:54
  499. He says, I looked at them and realized that this beautiful memory would be one of the greatest sources of pain to one of these people if the relationship everHe says, I looked at them and realized that this beautiful memory would be one of the greatest sources of pain to one of these people if the relationship ever27:55
  500. ended.ended.28:03
  501. It's strange that this thing that at the time is really, really wonderful actually becomes the thing that's kind of the, I'm never going to Paris again.It's strange that this thing that at the time is really, really wonderful actually becomes the thing that's kind of the, I'm never going to Paris again.28:04
  502. I'm fucking moving to Rome or whatever it is, because I need to totally change my context.I'm fucking moving to Rome or whatever it is, because I need to totally change my context.28:14
  503. And that's also the same when it comes to phones, right?And that's also the same when it comes to phones, right?28:19
  504. I tried to stop using my phone, and this still kind of works.I tried to stop using my phone, and this still kind of works.28:22
  505. I just changed the pocket that I put it in, because I realized that for an entire decade, I'd had my phone in my right pocket, and like a speedI just changed the pocket that I put it in, because I realized that for an entire decade, I'd had my phone in my right pocket, and like a speed28:25
  506. shooter withdrawing his firearm, I would just mindlessly put my hand in my pocket the number of times that I pulled my wallet out when I changed it to lookshooter withdrawing his firearm, I would just mindlessly put my hand in my pocket the number of times that I pulled my wallet out when I changed it to look28:32
  507. at my wallet.at my wallet.28:42
  508. It's just a bit, it's just this obsessive sort of routine.It's just a bit, it's just this obsessive sort of routine.28:42
  509. You guys know about this phantom vibrations.You guys know about this phantom vibrations.28:45
  510. So it turns out people have their phone on their pocket, right?So it turns out people have their phone on their pocket, right?28:47
  511. And I went to a meditation retreat, and no phones, just meditation.And I went to a meditation retreat, and no phones, just meditation.28:50
  512. And I felt vibrations.And I felt vibrations.28:59
  513. I didn't even have my phone in my pocket.I didn't even have my phone in my pocket.29:01
  514. Do you have a vibrator?Do you have a vibrator?29:03
  515. Two of them.Two of them.29:06
  516. There we go, there we go.There we go, there we go.29:07
  517. That might have been my dildo.That might have been my dildo.29:08
  518. Um, but no one likes these.Um, but no one likes these.29:09
  519. We don't call that a meditation retreat where I'm from.We don't call that a meditation retreat where I'm from.29:10
  520. Fair enough.Fair enough.29:12
  521. What does body blue call it?What does body blue call it?29:13
  522. Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.Yeah, yeah, yeah, true.29:15
  523. Tuesday.Tuesday.29:16
  524. It was really interesting.It was really interesting.29:17
  525. And it turns out, I googled it, it turns out that's actually a real thing.And it turns out, I googled it, it turns out that's actually a real thing.29:18
  526. People feel phantom vibrations from their phone.People feel phantom vibrations from their phone.29:21
  527. You can go check it out.You can go check it out.29:23
  528. And I was like, wow, your body is so tuned to this over, every time you get a notification, every time you get whatever, and most people have their phoneAnd I was like, wow, your body is so tuned to this over, every time you get a notification, every time you get whatever, and most people have their phone29:24
  529. on silent now.on silent now.29:33
  530. So the vibration is really like a thing with the haptic.So the vibration is really like a thing with the haptic.29:34
  531. You have Pavlovianly programmed yourself.You have Pavlovianly programmed yourself.29:37
  532. Pretty much.Pretty much.29:39
  533. So I expect this thing to happen.So I expect this thing to happen.29:40
  534. So like this, this sort of device is now a potential part of your, the way that you sort of feel and understand the world, in this case, kind ofSo like this, this sort of device is now a potential part of your, the way that you sort of feel and understand the world, in this case, kind of29:41
  535. like a touch type sense, but it was remarkable.like a touch type sense, but it was remarkable.29:50
  536. And I went down the rabbit hole and I looked at it and I was like, wow, this is not just me.And I went down the rabbit hole and I looked at it and I was like, wow, this is not just me.29:53
  537. There's so many individuals.There's so many individuals.29:58
  538. Like you said, if I move my phone in my pocket, the other one will completely vibrate.Like you said, if I move my phone in my pocket, the other one will completely vibrate.30:01
  539. Yeah, all the time.Yeah, all the time.30:06
  540. My wallet's going to be vibrating.My wallet's going to be vibrating.30:06
  541. Yeah, exactly.Yeah, exactly.30:08
  542. I mean, for some people that might be a huge...I mean, for some people that might be a huge...30:08
  543. Again, true.Again, true.30:10
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  563. To play devil's advocate on the whole, the ability to remember everything being a bad idea.To play devil's advocate on the whole, the ability to remember everything being a bad idea.31:28
  564. I think a lot of these conversations, rather than a light switch, it's more dimmer and different people, different occasions it will be good and bad for.Aku pikir a lot of these conversations, rather than a light switch, it's more dimmer and different people, different occasions it will be good and bad for..31:36
  565. Because a lot of people look at us being able to remember everything now, very similar to when writing came along.Because a lot of people look at us being able to remember everything now, very similar to when writing came along.31:44
  566. So before writing, we couldn't store any information down.So before writing, we couldn't store any information down.31:50
  567. So that completely changed us.So that completely changed us.31:53
  568. But I always think of, so do you guys know, I forgot the name of a Grenfell Tower in the UK?But I always think of, so do you guys know, I forgot the name of a Grenfell Tower in the UK?31:55
  569. Have you heard about what Grenfell Tower is?Have you heard about what Grenfell Tower is?32:02
  570. So it's one of the biggest tragedies that's ever happened in the UK, where a council estate, which will be the equivalent of your projects, was poorly designed, set onSo it's one of the biggest tragedies that's ever happened in the UK, where a council estate, which will be the equivalent of your projects, was poorly designed, set on32:04
  571. fire.fire.32:16
  572. Can you get a photo of it up?Can you get a photo of it up?32:17
  573. Loads of people.Loads of people.32:18
  574. Grenfell Tower.Grenfell Tower.32:19
  575. Loads of people burned alive in it.Loads of people burned alive in it.32:19
  576. And it was a huge government inquiry, how are we going to fix it, what are we going to change about it.And it was a huge government inquiry, how are we going to fix it, what are we going to change about it.32:22
  577. And what was the crazy thing about the day was that as this building was on fire, kind of like 9 -11, a baby was picked up on the news,And what was the crazy thing about the day was that as this building was on fire, kind of like 9 -11, a baby was picked up on the news,32:26
  578. was dropped from the top floor.was dropped from the top floor.32:34
  579. Look at that.Look at that.32:36
  580. So a baby was picked up from the top floor and dropped and somebody caught it.So a baby was picked up from the top floor and dropped and somebody caught it.32:37
  581. And it was this kind of miracle in this horrific day that happened.And it was this kind of miracle in this horrific day that happened.32:41
  582. And it got reported everywhere.And it got reported everywhere.32:46
  583. There was about five different eyewitnesses.There was about five different eyewitnesses.32:47
  584. And about six months later, after the emotion of the event settled down, a few physicists started looking at it and going, well, hold on.And about six months later, after the emotion of the event settled down, a few physicists started looking at it and going, well, hold on.32:49
  585. That baby had hundreds of feet in the air.That baby had hundreds of feet in the air.32:59
  586. If we just ran the map here, it would just disintegrate on the catch.If we just ran the map here, it would just disintegrate on the catch.33:01
  587. And as soon as they started to inquire like the eyewitness testimony, it was a completely hallucinated memory.And as soon as they started to inquire like the eyewitness testimony, it was a completely hallucinated memory.33:04
  588. So on the one hand, the ability to store memories will mean that we can't let go of certain things, but it may also mean that we'd let go ofSo on the one hand, the ability to store memories will mean that we can't let go of certain things, but it may also mean that we'd let go of33:11
  589. complete fictions that we're telling ourselves that never happened.complete fictions that we're telling ourselves that never happened.33:19
  590. Or that we would invent them as well.Or that we would invent them as well.33:22
  591. Because if you're Tim, your recollection of the flames is in 4K, but the mirage of a baby being thrown out.Because if you're Tim, your recollection of the flames is in 4K, but the mirage of a baby being thrown out.33:24
  592. You know the terminal velocity of a cat is non -fatal.You know the terminal velocity of a cat is non -fatal.33:33
  593. What do you mean?What do you mean?33:36
  594. I can't say it any other way.I can't say it any other way.33:38
  595. There's only one.There's only one.33:42
  596. If I drop a cat from any distance, it's the speed that it reaches when it hits the ground on average is non -fatal.If I drop a cat from any distance, it's the speed that it reaches when it hits the ground on average is non -fatal.33:44
  597. Ask chat GPT.Ask chat GPT.33:56
  598. A cat's terminal velocity depends on its size, body position, yeah, whatever.A cat's terminal velocity depends on its size, body position, yeah, whatever.33:58
  599. Estimated terminal velocity is about 60 miles an hour.Estimated terminal velocity is about 60 miles an hour.34:01
  600. Some studies and veterinary analysis place it between...Some studies and veterinary analysis place it between...34:03
  601. Okay, so see, look, see, depends on posture.Okay, so see, look, see, depends on posture.34:07
  602. Around five to seven stories.Around five to seven stories.34:08
  603. Yeah, okay.Yeah, okay.34:11
  604. Injuries.Injuries.34:12
  605. I mean, that's higher up than I would expect.I mean, that's higher up than I would expect.34:12
  606. Some cats survive because they reach terminal velocity, stop accelerating, relax, and then orient themselves for impact.Some cats survive because they reach terminal velocity, stop accelerating, relax, and then orient themselves for impact.34:13
  607. It's trying to caveat, like, basically, am I okay to throw a cat out of a window?It's trying to caveat, like, basically, am I okay to throw a cat out of a window?34:21
  608. That's what chat GPT thinks I'm doing.That's what chat GPT thinks I'm doing.34:25
  609. This is one of those cases when somebody's like, you know, when people die, they release DMT from their brands.This is one of those cases when somebody's like, you know, when people die, they release DMT from their brands.34:27
  610. And I'm like, how would you know that, though?And I'm like, how would you know that, though?34:32
  611. Like, who...Like, who...34:34
  612. Which family is consented to have some science be like, I know this is a hard moment, but let me, like, tap your grandma's brain.Which family is consented to have some science be like, I know this is a hard moment, but let me, like, tap your grandma's brain.34:36
  613. And this is like...And this is like...34:43
  614. Terminal velocity of a cat's not facing...Terminal velocity of a cat's not facing...34:44
  615. Injuries often increase up to around five to seven stories.Injuries often increase up to around five to seven stories.34:46
  616. Like, I just want to know...Like, I just want to know...34:50
  617. Beyond seven stories?Beyond seven stories?34:50
  618. Where in, like, Sierra Leone, they're like, okay, let's take these 40 cats and drop them...Where in, like, Sierra Leone, they're like, okay, let's take these 40 cats and drop them...34:52
  619. You just put it into one of those t -shirts.You just put it into one of those t -shirts.34:56
  620. Five, 10, 15...Five, 10, 15...34:57
  621. T -shirt firers that they...T -shirt firers that they...34:58
  622. Yeah, yeah, a t -shirt cannon that they've got in.Yeah, yeah, a t -shirt cannon that they've got in.35:00
  623. What's the value for cats and cats?What's the value for cats and cats?35:01
  624. Speaking of hallucinating, I just want to fact check myself.Speaking of hallucinating, I just want to fact check myself.35:04
  625. Daniel Temet, T -A -M -M -E -T.Daniel Temet, T -A -M -M -E -T.35:07
  626. Parallelously close.Parallelously close.35:09
  627. All right, what'd you bring to the table?All right, what'd you bring to the table?35:10
  628. For hallucinating is a really fascinating subject, so people talk about AI hallucinations.For hallucinating is a really fascinating subject, so people talk about AI hallucinations.35:11
  629. No, now we're in my...No, now we're in my...35:14
  630. Oh, sorry, sorry, hold on.Oh, sorry, sorry, hold on.35:15
  631. This is...This is...35:16
  632. We're still going.We're still going.35:17
  633. The highest reliably documented fall survived by a cat is generally believed to be 32 stories.The highest reliably documented fall survived by a cat is generally believed to be 32 stories.35:18
  634. Sabrina in New York City, 1987, she fell from the 32nd floor of a skyscraper, survived with a chip tooth, collapsed lung, and minor chest injuries.Sabrina in New York City, 1987, she fell from the 32nd floor of a skyscraper, survived with a chip tooth, collapsed lung, and minor chest injuries.35:23
  635. After treatment, she reportedly recovered fully.After treatment, she reportedly recovered fully.35:31
  636. Dude, telling you, terminal velocity of a cat, non -fatal.Dude, telling you, terminal velocity of a cat, non -fatal.35:32
  637. They're able to slow themselves down, right?They're able to slow themselves down, right?35:36
  638. Effectively.Effectively.35:39
  639. Like a parachute -ish.Like a parachute -ish.35:40
  640. I mean, posture?I mean, posture?35:42
  641. I mean, they're not flying squirrels.I mean, they're not flying squirrels.35:43
  642. This is remarkable.This is remarkable.35:47
  643. What did I get you with the other day?What did I get you with the other day?35:49
  644. It was when we were talking about the fact that if a man doesn't have a girlfriend, the way that he behaves between 7pm and 11pm at night can onlyIt was when we were talking about the fact that if a man doesn't have a girlfriend, the way that he behaves between 7pm and 11pm at night can only35:50
  645. be destructive.be destructive.35:58
  646. And I told a friend about this.And I told a friend about this.36:00
  647. Unless there's the internet.Unless there's the internet.36:02
  648. Even with the internet, it's still destructive, right?Even with the internet, it's still destructive, right?36:03
  649. Because you're just embedding bad habits and doom -scrolling in its old bullshit.Because you're just embedding bad habits and doom -scrolling in its old bullshit.36:05
  650. Self -destructive, I suppose.Self -destructive, I suppose.36:08
  651. However...However...36:10
  652. Less on committee.Less on committee.36:10
  653. I asked a friend about this, and he said, yeah, so my body was single and I'm in a relationship.I asked a friend about this, and he said, yeah, so my body was single and I'm in a relationship.36:11
  654. Apparently at 8 .30pm at night, he would just receive photos of his friend head -standing.Apparently at 8 .30pm at night, he would just receive photos of his friend head -standing.36:17
  655. Just like selfies of him doing head -stand.Just like selfies of him doing head -stand.36:22
  656. What could go wrong?What could go wrong?36:27
  657. Alright, Nirav, what have you brought?Alright, Nirav, what have you brought?36:29
  658. Come on.Come on.36:30
  659. Hallucination thing is really fascinating.Hallucination thing is really fascinating.36:32
  660. People have this debate on AI hallucinations, and there's a bunch of these topics that are written in.People have this debate on AI hallucinations, and there's a bunch of these topics that are written in.36:33
  661. And Andrade Kerpoffy has written a bunch of this stuff.And Andrade Kerpoffy has written a bunch of this stuff.36:37
  662. And it turns out, humans hallucinate as well.And it turns out, humans hallucinate as well.36:40
  663. Almost all the features of AI today that exist.Almost all the features of AI today that exist.36:43
  664. They exist in humans in some way, shape, or form.They exist in humans in some way, shape, or form.36:47
  665. And people are often really baffled by it, right?And people are often really baffled by it, right?36:50
  666. They hate the hallucinations.They hate the hallucinations.36:54
  667. I think of them as more of just a replication of the human mind and how it works.Aku pikir of them as more of just a replication of the human mind and how it works..36:56
  668. And it turns out people hallucinate memories all the time.And it turns out people hallucinate memories all the time.37:01
  669. People manipulate memories.People manipulate memories.37:03
  670. In fact, if you look at things in the past, you're effectively removing...In fact, if you look at things in the past, you're effectively removing...37:04
  671. You remember often fond memories or really painful stuff.You remember often fond memories or really painful stuff.37:11
  672. The middle kind of fades away oftentimes.The middle kind of fades away oftentimes.37:14
  673. I'm curious to get your thoughts on this, Tim, about like, I think about this a lot because for our product, we have to like make sure these things areAku pikir ous to get your thoughts on this, tim, about like, i think about this a lot because for our product, we have to like make sure these things are.37:16
  674. low and context is there.low and context is there.37:24
  675. Don't explain what you do.Don't explain what you do.37:26
  676. We're building kind of...We're building kind of...37:27
  677. You know, today, the iPhone is kind of a...You know, today, the iPhone is kind of a...37:28
  678. When you look at it, when you go for a glance, people always tap on apps and then you have to go and pull whatever you need to know.When you look at it, when you go for a glance, people always tap on apps and then you have to go and pull whatever you need to know.37:31
  679. We're kind of building a layer on devices that is kind of glanceable information directly on your home screen.We're kind of building a layer on devices that is kind of glanceable information directly on your home screen.37:36
  680. That's entirely processed by AI.That's entirely processed by AI.37:45
  681. What you might want to know right now.What you might want to know right now.37:47
  682. Or things might be important to you.Or things might be important to you.37:50
  683. And the idea of intelligence today as it exists, it's much more, I'm going to go ask it a question, create this giant prompt to all the stuff.And the idea of intelligence today as it exists, it's much more, I'm going to go ask it a question, create this giant prompt to all the stuff.37:52
  684. And basically, you have to do the heavy lifting where we try to do the heavy lifting for you by making that presentation layer directly on your home screen thatAnd basically, you have to do the heavy lifting where we try to do the heavy lifting for you by making that presentation layer directly on your home screen that38:03
  685. sort of understands what's happening already in the background and surfaces it when you need to know it.sort of understands what's happening already in the background and surfaces it when you need to know it.38:12
  686. So it's kind of an agentic home screen for your iPhone.So it's kind of an agentic home screen for your iPhone.38:17
  687. Turns out the iPhone home screen hasn't changed in 20 years.Turns out the iPhone home screen hasn't changed in 20 years.38:19
  688. You're roughly using the same device, the same thing.You're roughly using the same device, the same thing.38:22
  689. Which it's, I guess.Which it's, I guess.38:24
  690. Yeah.Iya.38:27
  691. That's kind of really.That's kind of really.38:27
  692. They're underutilized.They're underutilized.38:28
  693. I think we use them in a creative way.Aku pikir we use them in a creative way..38:28
  694. Yep.Yep.38:30
  695. And so, like, you know, we're not going to go, we're like two people, three people.And so, like, you know, we're not going to go, we're like two people, three people.38:31
  696. So we can't really build a device.So we can't really build a device.38:35
  697. We can't really invest hard cores.We can't really invest hard cores.38:36
  698. So we have to operate in the application layer and utilize all the things that are affordances that the OS exposes to us as developers.So we have to operate in the application layer and utilize all the things that are affordances that the OS exposes to us as developers.38:38
  699. So creatively, we sort of build this experience.So creatively, we sort of build this experience.38:47
  700. And we're a few weeks old.And we're a few weeks old.38:51
  701. Pretty awesome.Pretty awesome.38:54
  702. But it's been so much fun to be able to think about the way that ambient AI will really work.But it's been so much fun to be able to think about the way that ambient AI will really work.38:55
  703. Imagine you go into a room.Imagine you go into a room.39:01
  704. There's a screen.There's a screen.39:03
  705. Has presence detection.Has presence detection.39:05
  706. Knows who you are.Knows who you are.39:06
  707. What you might want to see or know or do.What you might want to see or know or do.39:08
  708. If you wake up in the morning.If you wake up in the morning.39:10
  709. These are the things that will kind of light up over time.These are the things that will kind of light up over time.39:12
  710. And so, like, this stuff might be in your life.And so, like, this stuff might be in your life.39:15
  711. Persistently.Persistently.39:19
  712. If you want to, with your permission.If you want to, with your permission.39:20
  713. Have you thought about what to call it?Have you thought about what to call it?39:21
  714. It feels like sort of context dependent.It feels like sort of context dependent.39:23
  715. Ambient AI is good.Ambient AI is good.39:25
  716. Ambient AI is lovely.Ambient AI is lovely.39:26
  717. Good for you.Good for you.39:27
  718. Jordy as well, AI.Jordy as well, AI.39:28
  719. Ambient AI.Ambient AI.39:29
  720. AI.AI.39:30
  721. AI.AI.39:31
  722. We need to have, yeah.We need to have, yeah.39:32
  723. But I think, I don't know if the terminology's there.Nggak pikir.39:32
  724. You know, it turns out all the terminology that exists in the past, right, you know, the hashtags of Twitter and whatnot are invented by their users.You know, it turns out all the terminology that exists in the past, right, you know, the hashtags of Twitter and whatnot are invented by their users.39:35
  725. And people are like, oh, we should call it that.And people are like, oh, we should call it that.39:41
  726. Potem up, not top down.Potem up, not top down.39:43
  727. Yeah, exactly.Yeah, exactly.39:44
  728. We're still waiting for a fucking name for this series on the podcast.We're still waiting for a fucking name for this series on the podcast.39:44
  729. Do you think the future user interfaces are the glasses that everybody predicts?Menurutmu the future user interfaces are the glasses that everybody predicts??39:47
  730. Because my, I was thinking the other day, as somebody who has zero experience in designing hardware or products, that the, I think the future is probably the AirPod case,Aku pikir my, i was thinking the other day, as somebody who has zero experience in designing hardware or products, that the, i think the future is probably the airpod case,.39:51
  731. where you put the Airpods in.where you put the Airpods in.40:00
  732. And I heard, I saw a tweet the other day, that Apple have just patented cameras at the edge of the Airpods.And I heard, I saw a tweet the other day, that Apple have just patented cameras at the edge of the Airpods.40:03
  733. So it could feasibly pick up the visual information here.So it could feasibly pick up the visual information here.40:08
  734. And then with this little box that you have, it could be, you could be speaking to this device.And then with this little box that you have, it could be, you could be speaking to this device.40:11
  735. You could even have like a little.You could even have like a little.40:16
  736. That would be a signal receiver, right?That would be a signal receiver, right?40:17
  737. Yeah, so we're not always on these screens.Yeah, so we're not always on these screens.40:18
  738. We just had the little AirPod case, ears in, and then the box here.We just had the little AirPod case, ears in, and then the box here.40:20
  739. One of the problems you have with the hardware is that you need some processing power that's outside of it.One of the problems you have with the hardware is that you need some processing power that's outside of it.40:23
  740. That was the hardcore, I mean, you had an Apple Vision Pro before you sent it back.That was the hardcore, I mean, you had an Apple Vision Pro before you sent it back.40:27
  741. Yes.Iya.40:32
  742. And you need, if you're going to have something on your face or something that's wearable, you need to think about ergonomics and weight.And you need, if you're going to have something on your face or something that's wearable, you need to think about ergonomics and weight.40:33
  743. And that means you need to send the processing off to a different location.And that means you need to send the processing off to a different location.40:40
  744. I don't know.Nggak tahu.40:45
  745. I mean, you're right that VR is really not delivered, I think.Aku pikir you're right that vr is really not delivered, i think..40:46
  746. There's always, it's good.There's always, it's good.40:51
  747. The next thing we're going to wait for the more it'd be comfortable, the slim line down, whatever.The next thing we're going to wait for the more it'd be comfortable, the slim line down, whatever.40:52
  748. What about there?Gimana tentang there??40:56
  749. You think?Menurutmu ??40:57
  750. Yeah.Iya.40:58
  751. How long?How long?40:58
  752. Until what?Until what?41:00
  753. What would be a good, like, not quite Turing test.What would be a good, like, not quite Turing test.41:01
  754. Okay, so like the sort of level of penetration that we've seen with?Okay, so like the sort of level of penetration that we've seen with?41:04
  755. Now we're talking.Now we're talking.41:08
  756. With AI or with like, pick any sort of normal device.With AI or with like, pick any sort of normal device.41:10
  757. Just name your podcast.Just name your podcast.41:15
  758. Yeah, depth of penetration.Yeah, depth of penetration.41:16
  759. It's a new series.It's a new series.41:18
  760. Very shallow.Very shallow.41:19
  761. Very shallow.Very shallow.41:20
  762. Why?Kenapa?41:22
  763. Like that.Like that.41:24
  764. I don't know, like a half a billion or a billion users of either one product or a category of products that has something to do with.Nggak tahu.41:25
  765. That type of mass adoption is a high bar, but I would say getting to the point where people actually enjoy, let's just call it AI.That type of mass adoption is a high bar, but I would say getting to the point where people actually enjoy, let's just call it AI.41:32
  766. Thousands of people spending hours a day using some type of lightweight VR, AI, strongly AI native system, three years, maybe less.Thousands of people spending hours a day using some type of lightweight VR, AI, strongly AI native system, three years, maybe less.41:44
  767. I've seen some shit that's made by meta that blew my fucking mind.I've seen some shit that's made by meta that blew my fucking mind.41:57
  768. It's the next, after the next set of glasses.It's the next, after the next set of glasses.42:01
  769. And that was like, absolutely wild to be able to see that.And that was like, absolutely wild to be able to see that.42:06
  770. It's still, they're still clunky and dorky, right?It's still, they're still clunky and dorky, right?42:10
  771. But they'll over the time that they're building this out to get it down to the form factor that you need.But they'll over the time that they're building this out to get it down to the form factor that you need.42:12
  772. But I mean, these things, whatever, those things are like, they're really good.But I mean, these things, whatever, those things are like, they're really good.42:17
  773. The best thing about those is not an ad.The best thing about those is not an ad.42:21
  774. Best thing about those is the fact that you can take a photo or a video without using your phone.Best thing about those is the fact that you can take a photo or a video without using your phone.42:23
  775. You know, there's that famous video, was it?You know, there's that famous video, was it?42:27
  776. The Chandelier on New Year's Eve, maybe 2023.The Chandelier on New Year's Eve, maybe 2023.42:30
  777. And I swear, it's just this street of people.And I swear, it's just this street of people.42:33
  778. And all you can see, the entire thing is just phone screens.And all you can see, the entire thing is just phone screens.42:36
  779. From behind, looking at the thing you're supposed to be looking at.From behind, looking at the thing you're supposed to be looking at.42:40
  780. So dystopian.So dystopian.42:43
  781. Just phone screens.Just phone screens.42:44
  782. So ridiculous.So ridiculous.42:46
  783. Well, you heard about me at the Louvre, I've told you this story.Well, you heard about me at the Louvre, I've told you this story.42:46
  784. So I had these on at the Louvre in Paris, being a sophisticated individual that I am.So I had these on at the Louvre in Paris, being a sophisticated individual that I am.42:51
  785. So I had these on and everybody was just looking at people's feet under the bathroom stalls.So I had these on and everybody was just looking at people's feet under the bathroom stalls.42:55
  786. George collects feet.George collects feet.43:01
  787. So that's a...So that's a...43:03
  788. You can buy them.You can buy them.43:05
  789. It's no longer a permit.It's no longer a permit.43:07
  790. You can't really have eye contact with people in the Western culture because it's like whatever.You can't really have eye contact with people in the Western culture because it's like whatever.43:08
  791. So people are always looking down on their feet.So people are always looking down on their feet.43:12
  792. And that's why George comes in.And that's why George comes in.43:14
  793. Here it is.Here it is.43:16
  794. So I had this experience of the Mona Lisa in the Louvre.So I had this experience of the Mona Lisa in the Louvre.43:17
  795. So everybody was there with their phones taking a photo, but I had these glasses on.So everybody was there with their phones taking a photo, but I had these glasses on.43:21
  796. But the problem is because the Mona Lisa is so small and I'm so far back, my girlfriend now has a photo of me.But the problem is because the Mona Lisa is so small and I'm so far back, my girlfriend now has a photo of me.43:24
  797. So there's loads of people taking a photo of the Mona Lisa and then there's me with my glasses in the air.So there's loads of people taking a photo of the Mona Lisa and then there's me with my glasses in the air.43:29
  798. I'll get the photo out of there.I'll get the photo out of there.43:35
  799. It's horrific.It's horrific.43:37
  800. It's horrific.It's horrific.43:37
  801. It is nice though to be able to record something without taking yourself out at the moment.It is nice though to be able to record something without taking yourself out at the moment.43:39
  802. And I think just that.Aku pikir ink just that..43:42
  803. You know, I don't like the battery life or this thing or you're still a little bit clunky or I don't usually wear glasses or whatever.Nggak tahu.43:44
  804. Like I get it.Like I get it.43:50
  805. I get it.I get it.43:51
  806. I get it.I get it.43:51
  807. But the opportunity to be able to just take a photo or a video without having to feel like I'm back on this screen that I hate.But the opportunity to be able to just take a photo or a video without having to feel like I'm back on this screen that I hate.43:51
  808. I'm back in this digital environment that kind of just compresses my memory down into one time of me being on this screen.I'm back in this digital environment that kind of just compresses my memory down into one time of me being on this screen.44:00
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  821. Do you think you would feel better or worse after six months of not being able to take photos or video of anything?Menurutmu you would feel better or worse after six months of not being able to take photos or video of anything??45:01
  822. Other than like, okay, you need to take a photo.Other than like, okay, you need to take a photo.45:09
  823. It's going to be very difficult to do this.It's going to be very difficult to do this.45:12
  824. You can't talk a business card or a scan for like business purposes fine.You can't talk a business card or a scan for like business purposes fine.45:14
  825. For me, taking photos doesn't get in the way of my life anywhere near as much as just the ambient pinging and navigating of the digital device itself.For me, taking photos doesn't get in the way of my life anywhere near as much as just the ambient pinging and navigating of the digital device itself.45:18
  826. The photos, I'm in and out.The photos, I'm in and out.45:28
  827. I have seen some marathon photo sessions being taken at sunset.I have seen some marathon photo sessions being taken at sunset.45:31
  828. I went to somewhere on Long Island.I went to somewhere on Long Island.45:36
  829. I can't quite remember where.I can't quite remember where.45:40
  830. There was a beautiful sunset happening over a lake and 15, 16, 17 year old skull group.There was a beautiful sunset happening over a lake and 15, 16, 17 year old skull group.45:43
  831. It was like, it was an endurance sport of photo taking.It was like, it was an endurance sport of photo taking.45:50
  832. I'm like, okay, that's something else.I'm like, okay, that's something else.45:55
  833. That's kind of almost pathological.That's kind of almost pathological.45:58
  834. But for me, it's, I don't know.Nggak tahu.46:00
  835. What about you?Gimana tentang you??46:01
  836. Do you think it would make a market difference to your life if you couldn't take photos or videos for six months?Menurutmu it would make a market difference to your life if you couldn't take photos or videos for six months??46:01
  837. I think it's a useful thought exercise.Aku pikir it's a useful thought exercise..46:06
  838. I would suspect it'd be better.I would suspect it'd be better.46:08
  839. I mean, I have not had any real photographic memory.I mean, I have not had any real photographic memory.46:10
  840. I can train people to have better visual memory.I can train people to have better visual memory.46:16
  841. Okay.Oke.46:19
  842. Can we do it?Can we do it?46:20
  843. What was that?What was that?46:21
  844. Can you show me?Can you show me?46:21
  845. It's not like a, you know, it's not like an old Perlman, 60 -second bang.It's not like a, you know, it's not like an old Perlman, 60 -second bang.46:22
  846. It's not one of those.It's not one of those.46:28
  847. But what's the, what's the Pareto basics to get better at a visual memory?But what's the, what's the Pareto basics to get better at a visual memory?46:29
  848. Start producing.Start producing.46:34
  849. So I would have people to get a book like drawing with the right side of the brain, which is a bit of a misnomer in the way that itSo I would have people to get a book like drawing with the right side of the brain, which is a bit of a misnomer in the way that it46:35
  850. lateralizes things, you know, hemispherically.lateralizes things, you know, hemispherically.46:41
  851. But if you practice, for instance, this is one tool on the toolkit, right?But if you practice, for instance, this is one tool on the toolkit, right?46:44
  852. Practice drawing.Practice drawing.46:50
  853. And for instance, right?And for instance, right?46:52
  854. If I had a flower in a vase on this table, which would be not the most compelling way to get someone to draw, but we're all passing drawing, whatIf I had a flower in a vase on this table, which would be not the most compelling way to get someone to draw, but we're all passing drawing, what46:53
  855. you would notice with most people is that they look at the flower, they go down to draw it, and they start drawing their mental concept of a flower.you would notice with most people is that they look at the flower, they go down to draw it, and they start drawing their mental concept of a flower.47:02
  856. They're not actually referring to the thing in front of them.They're not actually referring to the thing in front of them.47:11
  857. And then there are different tricks you could use.And then there are different tricks you could use.47:16
  858. For instance, if even right now, as we sit in Austin, Texas, bright outside, could have you look at a tree or a bush around here, sit down, I'd beFor instance, if even right now, as we sit in Austin, Texas, bright outside, could have you look at a tree or a bush around here, sit down, I'd be47:18
  859. like, okay, draw that, but I want you to only start with the black parts.like, okay, draw that, but I want you to only start with the black parts.47:28
  860. And you'd be like, but it's a bright day.And you'd be like, but it's a bright day.47:33
  861. It's a green thing.It's a green thing.47:35
  862. I'm like, look again.I'm like, look again.47:35
  863. And you'd be like, oh, shit, there are actually black parts.And you'd be like, oh, shit, there are actually black parts.47:37
  864. Okay, we'll start with that.Okay, we'll start with that.47:40
  865. And as you start to do that, or depending on where you are, it's like, when most people walk through, say, I mean, in Austin, it's easy because it's likeAnd as you start to do that, or depending on where you are, it's like, when most people walk through, say, I mean, in Austin, it's easy because it's like47:43
  866. cedar tree, juniper ash, oak, like that's it.cedar tree, juniper ash, oak, like that's it.47:51
  867. I mean, I'm being a little facetious, but there's not as much tree diversity as in other places.I mean, I'm being a little facetious, but there's not as much tree diversity as in other places.47:54
  868. But if all you see is quote unquote trees, it's like, okay, well, let me just teach you.But if all you see is quote unquote trees, it's like, okay, well, let me just teach you.47:59
  869. It's also subject dependent, right?It's also subject dependent, right?48:05
  870. Like the six most common trees in upstate New York, Austin, wherever it might be, and all of a sudden, instead of just seeing trees, you start to differentiate.Like the six most common trees in upstate New York, Austin, wherever it might be, and all of a sudden, instead of just seeing trees, you start to differentiate.48:06
  871. So all of those, it's partially visual acuity dependent.So all of those, it's partially visual acuity dependent.48:16
  872. It's partially attentionally dependent so that you're referencing something as opposed to referring to your concept of tree table person, whatever it might be.It's partially attentionally dependent so that you're referencing something as opposed to referring to your concept of tree table person, whatever it might be.48:21
  873. And then there's kind of a label dependency, right?And then there's kind of a label dependency, right?48:30
  874. How fine tuned or fine sliced is your ability within a given domain.How fine tuned or fine sliced is your ability within a given domain.48:34
  875. So if you were doing live gesture drawing, which I think is a great way to practice drawing, and there are a number of places around Austin and a lotAku pikir u were doing live gesture drawing, which i think is a great way to practice drawing, and there are a number of places around austin and a lot.48:41
  876. of places where you can do live gesture drawing, you'd have a model in front of the room.of places where you can do live gesture drawing, you'd have a model in front of the room.48:49
  877. It's not always going to be a hot naked chick.It's not always going to be a hot naked chick.48:52
  878. I hate to break it to you guys.I hate to break it to you guys.48:54
  879. Sometimes it's going to be like obese naked dude, but that's fine.Sometimes it's going to be like obese naked dude, but that's fine.48:56
  880. And they would start with, say, five minute poses, or they might start with like one minute poses, typically that start with very short poses.And they would start with, say, five minute poses, or they might start with like one minute poses, typically that start with very short poses.49:00
  881. So you can't overanalyze or intellectualize what you are doing.So you can't overanalyze or intellectualize what you are doing.49:07
  882. You have to keep your hand moving.You have to keep your hand moving.49:12
  883. And then they would go to longer and longer held poses.And then they would go to longer and longer held poses.49:13
  884. And you'd be shocked how much your visual memory improves if you do that and you are not constantly self -interrupting.And you'd be shocked how much your visual memory improves if you do that and you are not constantly self -interrupting.49:19
  885. So for me, I mean, I don't have any social media on this phone.So for me, I mean, I don't have any social media on this phone.49:27
  886. I haven't for a couple of years.I haven't for a couple of years.49:29
  887. I do not think I've sacrificed one iota of quote unquote being informed at all.Nggak pikir.49:31
  888. I don't have vibrate on, I do not have ring on, which can produce some funny like death spirals of people trying to like call one another, but neither personI don't have vibrate on, I do not have ring on, which can produce some funny like death spirals of people trying to like call one another, but neither person49:37
  889. has the phone ring.has the phone ring.49:46
  890. But I also think, you know, there's some data to suggest that if people have fewer mirrors in their homes, they are generally self -report as being happier.But I also think, you know, there's some data to suggest that if people have fewer mirrors in their homes, they are generally self -report as being happier.49:48
  891. This is a mirror, right?This is a mirror, right?49:57
  892. This is the black mirror.This is the black mirror.49:59
  893. So I just, I feel like the less you look at this thing, haven't run a study on this, but I would bet a healthy chunk of change.So I just, I feel like the less you look at this thing, haven't run a study on this, but I would bet a healthy chunk of change.50:01
  894. I just think the less you interact with this, the better, especially given how prevalent fake feeds are.I just think the less you interact with this, the better, especially given how prevalent fake feeds are.50:09
  895. It's just like the machine is an illusion, most of it.It's just like the machine is an illusion, most of it.50:14
  896. Did you guys see that quote where I think there's philosopher, I forgot the name, but it was like man was never meant to have a mirror.Aku pikir guys see that quote where i think there's philosopher, i forgot the name, but it was like man was never meant to have a mirror..50:17
  897. Self -reflection like that is detrimental in some ways.Self -reflection like that is detrimental in some ways.50:25
  898. You wouldn't have known what we looked like until Jared, can you find out when mirrors were invented?You wouldn't have known what we looked like until Jared, can you find out when mirrors were invented?50:29
  899. You would know with water.You would know with water.50:36
  900. You would know with water.You would know with water.50:37
  901. Yeah, you would go to the pond, for example, and look at your, like Achilles.Yeah, you would go to the pond, for example, and look at your, like Achilles.50:38
  902. Their nature or narcissists.Their nature or narcissists.50:42
  903. This is why like if you look in animals, for a variety of reasons, obviously with intelligence, whatever, but they're often very baffled by their presence in the mirror.This is why like if you look in animals, for a variety of reasons, obviously with intelligence, whatever, but they're often very baffled by their presence in the mirror.50:44
  904. And now we're looking at ourselves more often than ever before.And now we're looking at ourselves more often than ever before.50:53
  905. The selfie cameras effectively changed the dynamics of everything.The selfie cameras effectively changed the dynamics of everything.50:57
  906. During COVID, there was something called Zoom face.During COVID, there was something called Zoom face.51:01
  907. It was a marked increase in people getting cosmetic surgery because they were seeing themselves more, because they were spending so many hours on it.It was a marked increase in people getting cosmetic surgery because they were seeing themselves more, because they were spending so many hours on it.51:03
  908. Now there's AI filters on Google Meet and Zoom that was skin smoothing for my interview.Now there's AI filters on Google Meet and Zoom that was skin smoothing for my interview.51:09
  909. Exactly.Tepat.51:15
  910. You would add makeup or whatever.You would add makeup or whatever.51:16
  911. Going back to your point about the photographic memory thing, did you guys ever play that game?Going back to your point about the photographic memory thing, did you guys ever play that game?51:17
  912. Which I don't have to be clear.Which I don't have to be clear.51:21
  913. No, I know people who can do this and then 10 minutes later read it back to you.No, I know people who can do this and then 10 minutes later read it back to you.51:22
  914. From memory.From memory.51:30
  915. That is photographic memory.That is photographic memory.51:31
  916. I don't have that.I don't have that.51:32
  917. You know that game you used to play as a kid when somebody would draw on your back and you'd have to figure out what they drew?You know that game you used to play as a kid when somebody would draw on your back and you'd have to figure out what they drew?51:33
  918. Yeah.Iya.51:39
  919. It was actually a really interesting skill building game because then you'd have to effectively imagine different senses coming together.It was actually a really interesting skill building game because then you'd have to effectively imagine different senses coming together.51:40
  920. So you feel what somebody's drawing, whether it's a flower or a mountain or a sun or whatever.So you feel what somebody's drawing, whether it's a flower or a mountain or a sun or whatever.51:47
  921. Always a penis.Always a penis.51:52
  922. And if you were… Exactly.And if you were… Exactly.51:53
  923. First, also a good podcast name.First, also a good podcast name.51:55
  924. It's just, it's always a penis.It's just, it's always a penis.51:57
  925. That game was remarkable.That game was remarkable.52:01
  926. All roads lead to penis maybe?All roads lead to penis maybe?52:02
  927. Yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah, yeah, yeah.52:04
  928. I know you like the Roman Empire.I know you like the Roman Empire.52:05
  929. Downfall of penis.Downfall of penis.52:06
  930. What's, I was just double checking then because about the history of the mirror.What's, I was just double checking then because about the history of the mirror.52:07
  931. Can I say how much I live, how you say double?Can I say how much I live, how you say double?52:11
  932. I can't even fucking say it.I can't even fucking say it.52:13
  933. That's, yeah.That's, yeah.52:15
  934. Adds like at least seven IQ points.Adds like at least seven IQ points.52:16
  935. I'm from, I'm from Rocksdale originally, Taepman.I'm from, I'm from Rocksdale originally, Taepman.52:18
  936. Whenever you're in the UK, it's a big tourist scene.Whenever you're in the UK, it's a big tourist scene.52:20
  937. You'd love it.You'd love it.52:23
  938. I'll take you that.I'll take you that.52:24
  939. You'd love it.You'd love it.52:25
  940. You'd love it.You'd love it.52:25
  941. What is that?What is that?52:26
  942. The mirror.The mirror.52:27
  943. So the mirror, that we are the creation of the mirror, but I, as part of AI coming bigger and bigger, I've been going down like old revolution.So the mirror, that we are the creation of the mirror, but I, as part of AI coming bigger and bigger, I've been going down like old revolution.52:28
  944. So the industrial revolution and the Guttingberg printing press revolution.So the industrial revolution and the Guttingberg printing press revolution.52:37
  945. So Guttingberg, when he was creating the printing press, he was originally trying to create, I think, a mirror machine and accidentally or ended up morphing into what became theAku pikir ngberg, when he was creating the printing press, he was originally trying to create, i think, a mirror machine and accidentally or ended up morphing into what became the.52:41
  946. printing press.printing press.52:50
  947. What the hell is a mirror machine?What the hell is a mirror machine?52:51
  948. So he makes mirrors.So he makes mirrors.52:53
  949. Yeah.Iya.52:54
  950. So here you go.So here you go.52:55
  951. So around, I don't know how you get from that to the print.Nggak tahu.52:57
  952. 1438 to 14.1438 to 14.52:59
  953. You grind sand to make mirrors.You grind sand to make mirrors.53:01
  954. 39 Guttingberg was in Strasburg running a partnership to mass produce pilgrim mirrors, small polish metal badges that pilgrims pin to their hats to catch holy rays, radiating from relics,39 Guttingberg was in Strasburg running a partnership to mass produce pilgrim mirrors, small polish metal badges that pilgrims pin to their hats to catch holy rays, radiating from relics,53:03
  955. then carried home to benefit relatives.then carried home to benefit relatives.53:13
  956. I like that idea.I like that idea.53:15
  957. But it's like a capacitor for religious goodwill.But it's like a capacitor for religious goodwill.53:18
  958. So his capital was running out to appease investors.So his capital was running out to appease investors.53:21
  959. Guttingberg said he would share a secret with them, art and adventure, research that was the basis for his yet to be built printing press.Guttingberg said he would share a secret with them, art and adventure, research that was the basis for his yet to be built printing press.53:23
  960. That's cool.That's cool.53:30
  961. Nice.Nice.53:32
  962. All right, Tim, you must have some heaters.All right, Tim, you must have some heaters.53:33
  963. What have you brought from home?What have you brought from home?53:34
  964. Show me something.Show me something.53:35
  965. Yeah, I've got something.Yeah, I've got something.53:35
  966. This is an article.This is an article.53:37
  967. I've got a bunch of stuff, but I'm going to take kind of a slight left turn.I've got a bunch of stuff, but I'm going to take kind of a slight left turn.53:40
  968. It's related to a lot of the stuff we're talking about, but this caught my attention.It's related to a lot of the stuff we're talking about, but this caught my attention.53:44
  969. It's an article called Riding the Leopard by Paci McCormick.It's an article called Riding the Leopard by Paci McCormick.53:48
  970. It was sent to me.It was sent to me.53:54
  971. I had never read anything of his.I had never read anything of his.53:56
  972. And this was sent to me a few days ago by someone adjacent to one of the top AI technologists out there, which is part of what makes it interesting.And this was sent to me a few days ago by someone adjacent to one of the top AI technologists out there, which is part of what makes it interesting.53:58
  973. So I'll just, I'll read a couple of sections here and then I want to get your sense and thoughts on things.So I'll just, I'll read a couple of sections here and then I want to get your sense and thoughts on things.54:12
  974. So what do we get to talk to a room of technology people?So what do we get to talk to a room of technology people?54:22
  975. This is a transcribed talk that Paci gave.This is a transcribed talk that Paci gave.54:25
  976. Sierra just raised at 15 billion.Sierra just raised at 15 billion.54:27
  977. Anthropic crossed a 44 billion run rate and launched a new company with some huge funds that have 1 .5 billion to deploy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.Anthropic crossed a 44 billion run rate and launched a new company with some huge funds that have 1 .5 billion to deploy, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.54:29
  978. Opening eye did the same thing, but with 4 billion, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, this billion, that billion.Opening eye did the same thing, but with 4 billion, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, this billion, that billion.54:35
  979. All of which raises an important question.All of which raises an important question.54:39
  980. Who gives a shit?Who gives a shit?54:41
  981. I mean that.I mean that.54:42
  982. Why do we care?Why do we care?54:43
  983. And then it goes down and he says, last night a woman who reads my newsletter reached out over substack DM.And then it goes down and he says, last night a woman who reads my newsletter reached out over substack DM.54:44
  984. She said she'd been diagnosed with stage four cancer.She said she'd been diagnosed with stage four cancer.54:49
  985. She's down on remission.She's down on remission.54:52
  986. She'd been confronted with the question we've all been facing.She'd been confronted with the question we've all been facing.54:53
  987. What happens to human purpose when AI removes scarcity or in her case, the need to be productive?What happens to human purpose when AI removes scarcity or in her case, the need to be productive?54:55
  988. To answer it, this is the interesting part, right?To answer it, this is the interesting part, right?55:00
  989. She analyzed more than 200 sci -fi books across all of these books.She analyzed more than 200 sci -fi books across all of these books.55:03
  990. By far the most common thing left to solve for post scarcity is meaning.By far the most common thing left to solve for post scarcity is meaning.55:07
  991. 59 % of books were about the search for meaning.59 % of books were about the search for meaning.55:11
  992. Identity was next at 17%.Identity was next at 17%.55:14
  993. And then it goes on and you know, they're questions.And then it goes on and you know, they're questions.55:18
  994. If new technology is so great, why are so many people unhappy?If new technology is so great, why are so many people unhappy?55:24
  995. Right?Right?55:27
  996. If we have means our ancestors couldn't have dreamed of, why is there a meaning crisis?If we have means our ancestors couldn't have dreamed of, why is there a meaning crisis?55:28
  997. And then it quotes Holocaust survivor Victor Frankel who wrote, the truth is that as the struggle for survival has subsided, the question has emerged.And then it quotes Holocaust survivor Victor Frankel who wrote, the truth is that as the struggle for survival has subsided, the question has emerged.55:32
  998. Survival for what?Survival for what?55:40
  999. Evermore people today have the means to live but no meaning to live for.Evermore people today have the means to live but no meaning to live for.55:42
  1000. And ultimately in the piece he ends up talking about, he really goes out there.And ultimately in the piece he ends up talking about, he really goes out there.55:47
  1001. If I would bet that Deer Pac is done a fair amount of drugs.If I would bet that Deer Pac is done a fair amount of drugs.55:51
  1002. And that's meant as a compliment, if you hear this.And that's meant as a compliment, if you hear this.55:55
  1003. But we get into non -duality.But we get into non -duality.55:59
  1004. We get into differentiation as moral obligation.We get into differentiation as moral obligation.56:01
  1005. But I want to explain the origin of the name of the piece, writing the leopard.But I want to explain the origin of the name of the piece, writing the leopard.56:04
  1006. And it's from Joseph Campbell.And it's from Joseph Campbell.56:09
  1007. And effectively he's talking about the hero's journey.And effectively he's talking about the hero's journey.56:13
  1008. And I'll read two parts and then I'll stop.And I'll read two parts and then I'll stop.56:15
  1009. But the goal of the hero trip down to the jewel point is to find those levels in the psyche that open, open, open and finally open to the mysteryBut the goal of the hero trip down to the jewel point is to find those levels in the psyche that open, open, open and finally open to the mystery56:17
  1010. of yourself being Buddha consciousness or the Christ.of yourself being Buddha consciousness or the Christ.56:24
  1011. That's the journey.That's the journey.56:27
  1012. It's all about finding that still point in your mind where commitment drops away.It's all about finding that still point in your mind where commitment drops away.56:28
  1013. The separateness apparent in the world is secondary.The separateness apparent in the world is secondary.56:33
  1014. Beyond that world of opposites is an unseen but experienced unity and identity in us all.Beyond that world of opposites is an unseen but experienced unity and identity in us all.56:35
  1015. All right.All right.56:40
  1016. And then this is the, these are wellspring of the name of the piece.And then this is the, these are wellspring of the name of the piece.56:40
  1017. You must return with the bliss and integrate it.You must return with the bliss and integrate it.56:44
  1018. The return is seeing the radiance everywhere.The return is seeing the radiance everywhere.56:47
  1019. All right.All right.56:49
  1020. The goal is to live with godlike composure on the full rush of energy like Dionysus riding the leopard without being torn to pieces.The goal is to live with godlike composure on the full rush of energy like Dionysus riding the leopard without being torn to pieces.56:49
  1021. And it goes on.And it goes on.56:57
  1022. It's worth reading.It's worth reading.56:58
  1023. It does get a little squirrely later on.It does get a little squirrely later on.56:59
  1024. But what I'm curious about is how you guys think about, if you do, solving for meaning because I tend to skew, I wouldn't say dystopian, but hyper vigilant andBut what I'm curious about is how you guys think about, if you do, solving for meaning because I tend to skew, I wouldn't say dystopian, but hyper vigilant and57:02
  1025. have a lot of concern for the next five, 10 years, not just with AI, but with the reaction to AI.have a lot of concern for the next five, 10 years, not just with AI, but with the reaction to AI.57:18
  1026. All right.All right.57:26
  1027. So it's one thing if AI quote unquote takes jobs, but if everyone fears it is going to take jobs, there are consequences of that in of itself.So it's one thing if AI quote unquote takes jobs, but if everyone fears it is going to take jobs, there are consequences of that in of itself.57:26
  1028. But I'm wondering how you guys think about or solve for meaning.But I'm wondering how you guys think about or solve for meaning.57:37
  1029. And I'll just add one more thing, which is actually, no, I'll save it.And I'll just add one more thing, which is actually, no, I'll save it.57:42
  1030. I'll park that for maybe injecting a little later.I'll park that for maybe injecting a little later.57:47
  1031. But how do you guys think about it?But how do you guys think about it?57:50
  1032. You know, one thing that comes to mind, this is the weirdest thing, by the way, which is, I like aviation.You know, one thing that comes to mind, this is the weirdest thing, by the way, which is, I like aviation.57:51
  1033. And there's, this is all going to connect, which is, you know, turns out airplanes crash only because there's multiple systems that go wrong, whatever.And there's, this is all going to connect, which is, you know, turns out airplanes crash only because there's multiple systems that go wrong, whatever.57:58
  1034. And the reason why that came to mind to him was that a captain has a decision to make when something bad happens.And the reason why that came to mind to him was that a captain has a decision to make when something bad happens.58:07
  1035. How much do you communicate what happened to the passengers?How much do you communicate what happened to the passengers?58:14
  1036. Like, what do you say?Like, what do you say?58:18
  1037. Do you do like, hey, you know, we've lost hydraulics, we've lost stuff, you know, multiple systems are wrong, whatever, completely transparent, you free people out.Do you do like, hey, you know, we've lost hydraulics, we've lost stuff, you know, multiple systems are wrong, whatever, completely transparent, you free people out.58:19
  1038. Do you not share enough information?Do you not share enough information?58:28
  1039. People are like, oh, what's going on?People are like, oh, what's going on?58:30
  1040. Why is it turbulent?Why is it turbulent?58:32
  1041. How does that marry to AI?How does that marry to AI?58:33
  1042. The people who are building these systems, how much do they communicate what they think are things that might change about the future, things that might have a turbulent natureThe people who are building these systems, how much do they communicate what they think are things that might change about the future, things that might have a turbulent nature58:36
  1043. to them.to them.58:46
  1044. And that is a delicate art, which is, you know, you see Dario going on pods and saying stuff like, software engineering solved, you know, software will be free.And that is a delicate art, which is, you know, you see Dario going on pods and saying stuff like, software engineering solved, you know, software will be free.58:48
  1045. Once that happens, you know, you get these ripple effects, whatnot, all this stuff happens.Once that happens, you know, you get these ripple effects, whatnot, all this stuff happens.59:01
  1046. And there's other people who are like much more optimistic about the world, which is like, hey, you know what, every and every revolution has created chops.And there's other people who are like much more optimistic about the world, which is like, hey, you know what, every and every revolution has created chops.59:05
  1047. Certainly it has eliminated them, but we've progressed.Certainly it has eliminated them, but we've progressed.59:14
  1048. And so it's really fascinating.And so it's really fascinating.59:16
  1049. I think this is an interesting environment where people are like, how much do you, even as a lot of researchers in San Francisco, for example, really believe that we'veAku pikir this is an interesting environment where people are like, how much do you, even as a lot of researchers in san francisco, for example, really believe that we've.59:18
  1050. solved almost every problem, roughly, that the dominoes will fall very quickly from here on out.solved almost every problem, roughly, that the dominoes will fall very quickly from here on out.59:28
  1051. If you have AI self -correcting, self -researching, you get the AGI, what happens?If you have AI self -correcting, self -researching, you get the AGI, what happens?59:35
  1052. How do you solve personally?How do you solve personally?59:43
  1053. How do you think of it, Manning?Menurutmu of it, manning??59:45
  1054. If you do, this is not like a pre -judgment either.If you do, this is not like a pre -judgment either.59:46
  1055. Like what?Like what?59:49
  1056. You don't think about me?Nggak pikir.59:50
  1057. You crass capitalist.You crass capitalist.59:51
  1058. I tend not to, I'm not a planner.I tend not to, I'm not a planner.59:53
  1059. Too much, you know, I think planning is good in some sense, but also kind of detrimental.Aku pikir , you know, i think planning is good in some sense, but also kind of detrimental..59:56
  1060. It occupies bandwidth that would otherwise be more useful for now.It occupies bandwidth that would otherwise be more useful for now.60:02
  1061. I think people tend to live in the future a little bit more than they tend, they should.Aku pikir people tend to live in the future a little bit more than they tend, they should..60:05
  1062. Are you religious?Are you religious?60:10
  1063. What was that?What was that?60:11
  1064. Are any of you religious?Are any of you religious?60:11
  1065. No, no.No, no.60:13
  1066. I'd say I'm spiritual, but not necessarily organized religion or whatnot.I'd say I'm spiritual, but not necessarily organized religion or whatnot.60:15
  1067. I do.I do.60:20
  1068. Welcome to Boston.Welcome to Boston.60:20
  1069. Was that?Was that?60:21
  1070. Welcome to Boston.Welcome to Boston.60:21
  1071. Ah, you know, I think we all do a bit of Scientology every now and again, right?Aku pikir know, i think we all do a bit of scientology every now and again, right?.60:22
  1072. Do a bit of Scientology, you make it sound like wheat.Do a bit of Scientology, you make it sound like wheat.60:26
  1073. Yeah, come on.Yeah, come on.60:29
  1074. We do a bit of Scientology.We do a bit of Scientology.60:31
  1075. Do you guys see what Brian Johnson posted yesterday?Do you guys see what Brian Johnson posted yesterday?60:33
  1076. He was like, prayer, he's talking about prayer, and he's like, I've been trying to pray more and I don't know what prayer means and, or I don't know whatNggak tahu.60:35
  1077. prayer is.prayer is.60:40
  1078. If Brian goes full circle and ends up being a Mormon again, that is going to be...If Brian goes full circle and ends up being a Mormon again, that is going to be...60:41
  1079. There was a quote tweet exactly like this.There was a quote tweet exactly like this.60:45
  1080. He's like, turns out the answer to everything is just Jesus Christ.He's like, turns out the answer to everything is just Jesus Christ.60:46
  1081. Honestly, dudes.Honestly, dudes.60:50
  1082. Well, there was a funny comment.Well, there was a funny comment.60:51
  1083. I mean, I think Brian, that's an interesting one coming from Brian.Aku pikir i think brian, that's an interesting one coming from brian..60:54
  1084. I would actually love to talk to him about that more than a lot of the biohacking given his history.I would actually love to talk to him about that more than a lot of the biohacking given his history.60:56
  1085. Finds a sweetie.Finds a sweetie.61:01
  1086. All right.All right.61:02
  1087. I mean, there was a, I like Brian, there was a comment that they said, wait, let me get this straight.I mean, there was a, I like Brian, there was a comment that they said, wait, let me get this straight.61:02
  1088. Brian left Mormonism.Brian left Mormonism.61:08
  1089. Now he's telling us we can't drink alcohol, we can't drink caffeine.Now he's telling us we can't drink alcohol, we can't drink caffeine.61:09
  1090. I thought that was pretty good.I thought that was pretty good.61:15
  1091. But, okay.But, okay.61:18
  1092. So what is this?So what is this?61:19
  1093. And again, I don't want to be late with this, but I actually really want to know from you guys how you think, if you think about it.Nggak pikir.61:21
  1094. I guess there's two, there's a few different parts as I'm saying.I guess there's two, there's a few different parts as I'm saying.61:28
  1095. I know a lot of uber successful people who can logic and debate their way through the labyrinth of intellectuals around them, who have lots of money, who are readyI know a lot of uber successful people who can logic and debate their way through the labyrinth of intellectuals around them, who have lots of money, who are ready61:30
  1096. to fucking jump off a cliff.to fucking jump off a cliff.61:40
  1097. Like that stuff doesn't...Like that stuff doesn't...61:42
  1098. Do you think that that would be stopped if they had more meaning?Menurutmu that that would be stopped if they had more meaning??61:43
  1099. You think the reason that they would jump off a cliff is because of their lack of meaning?Menurutmu the reason that they would jump off a cliff is because of their lack of meaning??61:46
  1100. I think that that is one large contributor.Aku pikir that that is one large contributor..61:49
  1101. And there's a difference like there, yes, there's a loneliness epidemic, but solving for loneliness doesn't solve for meaning.And there's a difference like there, yes, there's a loneliness epidemic, but solving for loneliness doesn't solve for meaning.61:53
  1102. So totally.So totally.62:00
  1103. This is quite a lot of strands I'm going to like unpack.This is quite a lot of strands I'm going to like unpack.62:01
  1104. Chess is an interesting one, right?Chess is an interesting one, right?62:08
  1105. The AI can be chess, any human being at chess, but human beings still play chess.The AI can be chess, any human being at chess, but human beings still play chess.62:10
  1106. Magnus Carlson seems to have a very enjoyable time playing chess.Magnus Carlson seems to have a very enjoyable time playing chess.62:15
  1107. And go on.And go on.62:20
  1108. Well, there's an interesting anecdote there that this idea that, oh, it's going to take away everything.Well, there's an interesting anecdote there that this idea that, oh, it's going to take away everything.62:22
  1109. Therefore, humans won't have any purpose yet.Therefore, humans won't have any purpose yet.62:27
  1110. It's seemingly better than everybody at chess, yet chess is still popular and people are still doing it.It's seemingly better than everybody at chess, yet chess is still popular and people are still doing it.62:29
  1111. The big thing for me...The big thing for me...62:36
  1112. And the question I'm asking is not whether AI will remove meaning.And the question I'm asking is not whether AI will remove meaning.62:37
  1113. It's more like, forget it, but let's strip AI out of it completely.It's more like, forget it, but let's strip AI out of it completely.62:40
  1114. I'm just curious how you guys think about it, if you do.I'm just curious how you guys think about it, if you do.62:43
  1115. So I think we discussed it when I've been in this chair before, but the idea of the precautionary principle.Aku pikir nk we discussed it when i've been in this chair before, but the idea of the precautionary principle..62:46
  1116. So the precautionary principle is human beings have a very, very, very, very good time at forecasting problems, but we have a very, very difficult time at forecasting the solutionsSo the precautionary principle is human beings have a very, very, very, very good time at forecasting problems, but we have a very, very difficult time at forecasting the solutions62:52
  1117. that will come, because by definition, if we had the solution, therefore, there'd be no problem.that will come, because by definition, if we had the solution, therefore, there'd be no problem.63:03
  1118. But you have all these billions of human beings that end up working on this problem.But you have all these billions of human beings that end up working on this problem.63:07
  1119. My inevitable thing is, and this is where I feel it's a bit of a strawman argument, if this AI is so intelligent that it's replaced us all, and it'sMy inevitable thing is, and this is where I feel it's a bit of a strawman argument, if this AI is so intelligent that it's replaced us all, and it's63:11
  1120. this super god, you'll probably figure out how to get us meaning.this super god, you'll probably figure out how to get us meaning.63:20
  1121. You know what I mean?You know what I mean?63:23
  1122. George Jules really argument is a little bit logically...George Jules really argument is a little bit logically...63:24
  1123. George believes that benevolence comes along with processing problems.George believes that benevolence comes along with processing problems.63:26
  1124. Yeah, I wouldn't make that last statement myself.Yeah, I wouldn't make that last statement myself.63:29
  1125. I know some people like the extremes of techno -optimism would say that, but the point that Pachy makes in his piece too, he's like, most of the arguments tendI know some people like the extremes of techno -optimism would say that, but the point that Pachy makes in his piece too, he's like, most of the arguments tend63:31
  1126. to, at some point, land on, like, we're going to cure cancer.to, at some point, land on, like, we're going to cure cancer.63:41
  1127. Well, at this point, he seems like there are 8 .3, roughly, billion people on the planet who are not going to die from cancer, at least not in theWell, at this point, he seems like there are 8 .3, roughly, billion people on the planet who are not going to die from cancer, at least not in the63:45
  1128. near term, and a lot of them are miserable.near term, and a lot of them are miserable.63:52
  1129. So it's like, it might solve for certain biotech and health tech medical problems.So it's like, it might solve for certain biotech and health tech medical problems.63:55
  1130. Could it not let us understand the brain and then figure out why these people are miserable?Could it not let us understand the brain and then figure out why these people are miserable?64:02
  1131. This is what I mean around...This is what I mean around...64:06
  1132. I'm not even suggesting this is going to be the case.I'm not even suggesting this is going to be the case.64:07
  1133. There's just things that we can't even forecast.There's just things that we can't even forecast.64:09
  1134. I mean, you've done a wonderful Bernie Sanders job of two or three times now, not answering the question of how to think about meaning.I mean, you've done a wonderful Bernie Sanders job of two or three times now, not answering the question of how to think about meaning.64:11
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  1155. Do you guys think this is an active process in people's minds?Do you guys think this is an active process in people's minds?65:27
  1156. Yeah.Iya.65:33
  1157. Like, do people really think about it in that realm?Like, do people really think about it in that realm?65:34
  1158. Or is it just a byproduct of existence in some sense?Or is it just a byproduct of existence in some sense?65:37
  1159. I think if it were a natural byproduct of existence, I would just say, maybe you see this, maybe you don't.Nggak pikir.65:41
  1160. I mean, you guys all interact on the interwebs.I mean, you guys all interact on the interwebs.65:47
  1161. The degree of apathy and nihilism and foreboding that I think is adjacent or overlapping with a creeping dread of meaninglessness in my audience over the last five years isAku pikir ee of apathy and nihilism and foreboding that i think is adjacent or overlapping with a creeping dread of meaninglessness in my audience over the last five years is.65:50
  1162. fucking terrible.fucking terrible.66:06
  1163. And do you think that AI is contributing to that?Menurutmu that ai is contributing to that??66:07
  1164. I think that technology and look, I'm not saying technology is a bad thing.Aku pikir that technology and look, i'm not saying technology is a bad thing..66:09
  1165. Like, ever since we were, our ancestors used some stick to fish out, you know, termite mound.Like, ever since we were, our ancestors used some stick to fish out, you know, termite mound.66:14
  1166. It's like, I bet on technology, it's, you know, I lived in the Bay Area for almost 20 years, still very actively involved with different types of technology.It's like, I bet on technology, it's, you know, I lived in the Bay Area for almost 20 years, still very actively involved with different types of technology.66:19
  1167. But I do think that there is the equivalent of digital poison.But I do think that there is the equivalent of digital poison.66:29
  1168. And a lot of us are drip feeding it every day.And a lot of us are drip feeding it every day.66:34
  1169. So it's not necessarily AI.So it's not necessarily AI.66:37
  1170. I think AI, like money, power, alcohol, psychedelics, it's an amplifier.Aku pikir ai, like money, power, alcohol, psychedelics, it's an amplifier..66:39
  1171. It's an accelerant.It's an accelerant.66:44
  1172. Well, certainly most people's relationship to technology now is negative.Well, certainly most people's relationship to technology now is negative.66:46
  1173. I don't know many people perhaps except you who have a above 80 % positive interaction with technology.Nggak tahu.66:49
  1174. I was on the treadmill in the gym the other day, and I was looking at doing a little bit of boom scrolling on my phone.I was on the treadmill in the gym the other day, and I was looking at doing a little bit of boom scrolling on my phone.66:58
  1175. And I had a screen in front of me here, and then I had five screens here, and then another five screens there.And I had a screen in front of me here, and then I had five screens here, and then another five screens there.67:06
  1176. And then there's a video wall that's got an advert here.And then there's a video wall that's got an advert here.67:12
  1177. And I'm like, dude, I'm supposed to be in the gym.And I'm like, dude, I'm supposed to be in the gym.67:16
  1178. And I'm trying to listen to a podcast.And I'm trying to listen to a podcast.67:17
  1179. I'm trying to listen to a funny podcast.I'm trying to listen to a funny podcast.67:20
  1180. It's just a safe space hang.It's just a safe space hang.67:21
  1181. I'm not supposed to be thinking, and I'm supposed to be tuned into this.I'm not supposed to be thinking, and I'm supposed to be tuned into this.67:22
  1182. And every single different screen had subtitles on.And every single different screen had subtitles on.67:25
  1183. Some of them had adverts on.Some of them had adverts on.67:28
  1184. This one's my 600 pound life.This one's my 600 pound life.67:29
  1185. That one's the news from New York City.That one's the news from New York City.67:31
  1186. This one's that.This one's that.67:34
  1187. And I'm like, dude, I have to actively avoid screens.And I'm like, dude, I have to actively avoid screens.67:35
  1188. Now, even if I choose to go screen free.Now, even if I choose to go screen free.67:40
  1189. So yeah, I think most people's relationship to technology is proto negative.Aku pikir i think most people's relationship to technology is proto negative..67:42
  1190. So when they think about if this gets more, that is more of the negative.So when they think about if this gets more, that is more of the negative.67:47
  1191. And it's already removed it for me a bit.And it's already removed it for me a bit.67:53
  1192. I had a really interesting conversation with Nick Bostrom.I had a really interesting conversation with Nick Bostrom.67:54
  1193. So he did his second book, which is kind of like a spiritual sequel to superintelligence.So he did his second book, which is kind of like a spiritual sequel to superintelligence.67:57
  1194. What if things go wrong?What if things go wrong?68:01
  1195. And then the next one was what if things go right?And then the next one was what if things go right?68:03
  1196. What are the problems of a solved world?What are the problems of a solved world?68:05
  1197. And he had this really interesting example where he said, basically everything that we value in other humans can be refined down to the fact that you need to negotiateAnd he had this really interesting example where he said, basically everything that we value in other humans can be refined down to the fact that you need to negotiate68:07
  1198. with a world that is scarce.with a world that is scarce.68:19
  1199. Why do I like motivation in someone else?Why do I like motivation in someone else?68:22
  1200. Why do I like discipline?Why do I like discipline?68:24
  1201. Why do I like the ability to tell the truth?Why do I like the ability to tell the truth?68:25
  1202. Why do I like prudence?Why do I like prudence?68:26
  1203. Why do I like good judgment?Why do I like good judgment?68:27
  1204. Because you need those things to be able to navigate through a world which is going to apply pressure to you.Because you need those things to be able to navigate through a world which is going to apply pressure to you.68:29
  1205. And if you remove that, so many of the traits that we look for in other people, they may not be, that creates a strange weightlessness with all of theAnd if you remove that, so many of the traits that we look for in other people, they may not be, that creates a strange weightlessness with all of the68:34
  1206. different values that we've tended to prefer for all of human history because we've been negotiating with a world that's pushed up against us.different values that we've tended to prefer for all of human history because we've been negotiating with a world that's pushed up against us.68:45
  1207. And if we move that out of the way, then what does that mean?And if we move that out of the way, then what does that mean?68:51
  1208. So yeah, I think, dude, I think the meaninglessness thing is great.Aku pikir i think, dude, i think the meaninglessness thing is great..68:54
  1209. George is infuriatingly optimistic, which means that these conversations with him are always, if AI is that smart, why won't it be benevolent enough to fix our problems?George is infuriatingly optimistic, which means that these conversations with him are always, if AI is that smart, why won't it be benevolent enough to fix our problems?68:57
  1210. That's kind of, I guess, your...That's kind of, I guess, your...69:07
  1211. I'm not saying that the...I'm not saying that the...69:09
  1212. If there had never been...If there had never been...69:10
  1213. If the transformer had never made the leap to the, I guess, GPT -3 or 4, the sort of social media and digital environment in and of itself, just withIf the transformer had never made the leap to the, I guess, GPT -3 or 4, the sort of social media and digital environment in and of itself, just with69:11
  1214. more of a linear growth rate as opposed to more exponential, still would be a problem, right?more of a linear growth rate as opposed to more exponential, still would be a problem, right?69:27
  1215. It's just overall...It's just overall...69:33
  1216. The AI conversation is just...The AI conversation is just...69:34
  1217. It sucks up all the oxygen in the room, do you know what I mean?It sucks up all the oxygen in the room, do you know what I mean?69:37
  1218. So it's like, we can strip that out as a thought exercise.So it's like, we can strip that out as a thought exercise.69:40
  1219. I'm curious how you would answer it.I'm curious how you would answer it.69:45
  1220. This is something I've been thinking about a lot because my audience, but also for me, for my family, and I've thought a lot about these debates that Jordan PetersonThis is something I've been thinking about a lot because my audience, but also for me, for my family, and I've thought a lot about these debates that Jordan Peterson69:49
  1221. and Sam Harris have had where Sam...and Sam Harris have had where Sam...70:00
  1222. First one was a fucking car crash, but yeah.First one was a fucking car crash, but yeah.70:02
  1223. Well, yeah, I mean, look, they've had car crashes, but one of the takeaways for me was, can any meaningful critical mass of humans from first principles develop a moralWell, yeah, I mean, look, they've had car crashes, but one of the takeaways for me was, can any meaningful critical mass of humans from first principles develop a moral70:04
  1224. and value code for themselves that is secular, that is in any way gratifying, grounding, supportive in times of great duress?and value code for themselves that is secular, that is in any way gratifying, grounding, supportive in times of great duress?70:18
  1225. I feel like Sam would be more on that side of things, and then Jordan's like, it's not going to happen, right?I feel like Sam would be more on that side of things, and then Jordan's like, it's not going to happen, right?70:27
  1226. Like that is why people need religion, because you have this out -of -the -box certainty in a world of seemingly increasing incomprehensibility, right?Like that is why people need religion, because you have this out -of -the -box certainty in a world of seemingly increasing incomprehensibility, right?70:32
  1227. Where there is this inability to separate fact from fiction, people need some type of foothold of certainty.Where there is this inability to separate fact from fiction, people need some type of foothold of certainty.70:45
  1228. And so, I mean, I think religion, I mean, I don't have to think it, it's already happening, but it's like huge resurgence in religion.Nggak pikir.70:54
  1229. With Latin mass as well, which is Latin mass is one of the, if not the most ascendant, attended religious services, and it's a service that's entirely done in aWith Latin mass as well, which is Latin mass is one of the, if not the most ascendant, attended religious services, and it's a service that's entirely done in a71:01
  1230. language that nobody in the audience speaks.language that nobody in the audience speaks.71:14
  1231. And I wonder what that's doing is it's almost bypassing people's ability to scrutinize it.And I wonder what that's doing is it's almost bypassing people's ability to scrutinize it.71:16
  1232. Oh, well, that's obviously not true.Oh, well, that's obviously not true.71:21
  1233. But nobody, you know, I can realize it's science.But nobody, you know, I can realize it's science.71:22
  1234. Maybe they don't want to scrutinize it.Maybe they don't want to scrutinize it.71:24
  1235. That's the point.That's the point.71:26
  1236. That's what I think that what they're doing is they're purposefully going, oh, maybe it's just that it feels more archaic, it's more steeped in history, etc., etc.Aku pikir hat i think that what they're doing is they're purposefully going, oh, maybe it's just that it feels more archaic, it's more steeped in history, etc., etc..71:26
  1237. Maybe the music's better.Maybe the music's better.71:33
  1238. I don't know.Nggak tahu.71:33
  1239. But yeah, I definitely get the sense that people are going to scrabble around to try and reverse from first principles.But yeah, I definitely get the sense that people are going to scrabble around to try and reverse from first principles.71:35
  1240. Yeah.Iya.71:43
  1241. How do I make myself feel good?How do I make myself feel good?71:43
  1242. But there is an interesting question, which is, if what we're bothered about is human flourishing, humans feeling good, why not have a comforting delusion?But there is an interesting question, which is, if what we're bothered about is human flourishing, humans feeling good, why not have a comforting delusion?71:45
  1243. Let's say that it's delusion.Let's say that it's delusion.71:57
  1244. I'm not saying that it is.I'm not saying that it is.71:58
  1245. Why not have a comforting delusion?Why not have a comforting delusion?71:59
  1246. Like if the outcomes of religious people are more happiness, more meaning, they live longer, they've got better community, they've got better health, they've got...Like if the outcomes of religious people are more happiness, more meaning, they live longer, they've got better community, they've got better health, they've got...72:01
  1247. Suddenly seems very rational instead of irrational.Suddenly seems very rational instead of irrational.72:07
  1248. So this is what I learned from Alex O 'Connor.So this is what I learned from Alex O 'Connor.72:10
  1249. And it is Richard Dawkins speaking to Ayan Hursiali on stage.And it is Richard Dawkins speaking to Ayan Hursiali on stage.72:12
  1250. And Ayan was supposed to be the fifth horseman of the atheist apocalypse, but she couldn't make the meeting that day.And Ayan was supposed to be the fifth horseman of the atheist apocalypse, but she couldn't make the meeting that day.72:16
  1251. And then Ayan is on stage talking to Richard and the audience is sort of half her fans and half Richards.And then Ayan is on stage talking to Richard and the audience is sort of half her fans and half Richards.72:22
  1252. And she said, I wanted to take my own life not long ago.And she said, I wanted to take my own life not long ago.72:30
  1253. I was really low and religion found me, Jesus found me, or Christianity found me, God found me.I was really low and religion found me, Jesus found me, or Christianity found me, God found me.72:33
  1254. And after the lowest moment that I had, I'm really, really happy to say that my mental health's in a better place and I'm religious.And after the lowest moment that I had, I'm really, really happy to say that my mental health's in a better place and I'm religious.72:40
  1255. And you get the sort of smattering of kind of like empathetic applause around the room.And you get the sort of smattering of kind of like empathetic applause around the room.72:49
  1256. And Alex told me that Richards almost immediate response was, yes, but do you really think that Jesus moved the stone out of the way on the third day ofAnd Alex told me that Richards almost immediate response was, yes, but do you really think that Jesus moved the stone out of the way on the third day of72:54
  1257. Aramaea?Aramaea?73:04
  1258. And what you see is a guy who is playing a game of optimizing for rationality whilst ignoring effectiveness.And what you see is a guy who is playing a game of optimizing for rationality whilst ignoring effectiveness.73:05
  1259. And you go, how can you say that it's anything but a positive when this person's life essentially was saved by this thing?And you go, how can you say that it's anything but a positive when this person's life essentially was saved by this thing?73:15
  1260. And it makes me, and this is one of the reasons I think that atheism is not cool at the moment, that it feels in a world that's increasingly bereftAku pikir akes me, and this is one of the reasons i think that atheism is not cool at the moment, that it feels in a world that's increasingly bereft.73:25
  1261. of meaning, it feels like really sterile and quite judgmental and quite harsh.of meaning, it feels like really sterile and quite judgmental and quite harsh.73:35
  1262. And it makes me, when I think about it, I'm like, it just doesn't seem very nice to me.Aku pikir akes me, when i think about it, i'm like, it just doesn't seem very nice to me..73:40
  1263. And I'm aware, removing comforting delusions, why should you allow someone to indulge in that silly fantasy?And I'm aware, removing comforting delusions, why should you allow someone to indulge in that silly fantasy?73:47
  1264. I'm like, bro, I think we're getting toward the stage where comforting delusions are allowed because if not, so maybe it is Mormonism all along.Aku pikir , bro, i think we're getting toward the stage where comforting delusions are allowed because if not, so maybe it is mormonism all along..73:53
  1265. Do you guys, intellectuals oftentimes get into this territory where they try to use proof by counter example?Do you guys, intellectuals oftentimes get into this territory where they try to use proof by counter example?74:03
  1266. They'll try to find one counter example and something that you're saying and then effectively void the whole thing.They'll try to find one counter example and something that you're saying and then effectively void the whole thing.74:11
  1267. And it's a very common thing because it's what you do in a math setting or anything.And it's a very common thing because it's what you do in a math setting or anything.74:18
  1268. And they tend to do that in kind of a religious setting as well.And they tend to do that in kind of a religious setting as well.74:24
  1269. And it's like, that's not applicable here.And it's like, that's not applicable here.74:27
  1270. Just because X, Y is not true, doesn't mean invalidates the rest of it.Just because X, Y is not true, doesn't mean invalidates the rest of it.74:29
  1271. And this is why people tend to like, I think Richard Dawkins is like, religion is a pick and choose kind of buffet.Aku pikir is why people tend to like, i think richard dawkins is like, religion is a pick and choose kind of buffet..74:34
  1272. You can go pick and believe in something.You can go pick and believe in something.74:40
  1273. He also did say that AI is sentient.He also did say that AI is sentient.74:42
  1274. How old's Richard though now?How old's Richard though now?74:46
  1275. 70s?70s?74:48
  1276. 70s.70s.74:50
  1277. I think as soon as anybody gets over 65, you've got to give them a little bit of leeway, public breathing, breathing room.Aku pikir as soon as anybody gets over 65, you've got to give them a little bit of leeway, public breathing, breathing room..74:51
  1278. Why?Kenapa?74:57
  1279. Have you been around anybody over 65?Have you been around anybody over 65?74:57
  1280. Richard Dawkins.Richard Dawkins.75:01
  1281. Yeah.Iya.75:01
  1282. I was on stage with me.I was on stage with me.75:02
  1283. He said that he would consider trying psychedelics.He said that he would consider trying psychedelics.75:03
  1284. I wanted you to get him to admit to that.I wanted you to get him to admit to that.75:06
  1285. That was fun.That was fun.75:07
  1286. But yeah, what do you guys think of that?But yeah, what do you guys think of that?75:09
  1287. The Richard Dawkins play?The Richard Dawkins play?75:11
  1288. I mean, if anybody would go around and figure out if there is sentience associated with AI, maybe Richard Dawkins might be an okay person to go and figure thatI mean, if anybody would go around and figure out if there is sentience associated with AI, maybe Richard Dawkins might be an okay person to go and figure that75:13
  1289. out.out.75:20
  1290. I don't know.Nggak tahu.75:21
  1291. I don't know how much you guys, but I'm curious to get your thoughts on what he discovered or how he discovered it.Nggak tahu.75:21
  1292. Oh, it's way above my pay grade.Oh, it's way above my pay grade.75:27
  1293. I have no idea.I have no idea.75:28
  1294. I would need people to define sentience and also, whenever we get into sentience, consciousness, I'm like, let's make, before we argue about what God does or doesn't like, let'sI would need people to define sentience and also, whenever we get into sentience, consciousness, I'm like, let's make, before we argue about what God does or doesn't like, let's75:29
  1295. define God similarly.define God similarly.75:41
  1296. Right.Benar.75:42
  1297. I would just want to make sure I understand those terms.I would just want to make sure I understand those terms.75:42
  1298. Because once you get into like integrated information theory and all this stuff, it's very easy to like get into these weeds and then you're like 30 pages into readingBecause once you get into like integrated information theory and all this stuff, it's very easy to like get into these weeds and then you're like 30 pages into reading75:44
  1299. this.this.75:53
  1300. And I don't think anyone quite defined what the fuck.Nggak pikir.75:53
  1301. So I don't know.Nggak tahu.75:57
  1302. I don't actually know the context, but I certainly have no strong position.Nggak tahu.75:58
  1303. Same thing's kind of true with meaning though.Same thing's kind of true with meaning though.76:02
  1304. I've read Bowmeister's paper on meaning, meaning happiness, that kind of legendary one from 2010, I think it is.Aku pikir d bowmeister's paper on meaning, meaning happiness, that kind of legendary one from 2010, i think it is..76:03
  1305. And hey, they're good, hey?And hey, they're good, hey?76:10
  1306. I mean, they're very tasty.I mean, they're very tasty.76:12
  1307. I don't know what's in them.Nggak tahu.76:14
  1308. Flavoured, 15 milligrams of caffeine and some tasty shit.Flavoured, 15 milligrams of caffeine and some tasty shit.76:14
  1309. Sorry if I'm completely off here.Sorry if I'm completely off here.76:18
  1310. What?Apa?76:20
  1311. But part of me thinks that, well, again, I hate to sound like I'm doing an affiliate link for the beginning of infinity, which I am.But part of me thinks that, well, again, I hate to sound like I'm doing an affiliate link for the beginning of infinity, which I am.76:20
  1312. I'll post it in the link.I'll post it in the link.76:28
  1313. But problems are infinite.But problems are infinite.76:30
  1314. So even now is a great example.So even now is a great example.76:32
  1315. So AI, which is first off, we're having this hypothetical conversation about this hypothetical thing, which I think could happen, but it's completely hypothetical.Aku pikir hich is first off, we're having this hypothetical conversation about this hypothetical thing, which i think could happen, but it's completely hypothetical..76:34
  1316. But assuming that hypothetical is true, we first have the problem of, well, if this AI is so smart, why can't it fix this?But assuming that hypothetical is true, we first have the problem of, well, if this AI is so smart, why can't it fix this?76:40
  1317. Because those two things seem paradoxical.Because those two things seem paradoxical.76:47
  1318. We need to want to fix it.We need to want to fix it.76:49
  1319. Yeah, which again, which is a different question.Yeah, which again, which is a different question.76:50
  1320. But if it is so smart, why can't it fix it?But if it is so smart, why can't it fix it?76:52
  1321. The first point, the second point is, even now, are we not having quite a meaningful conversation about this problem?The first point, the second point is, even now, are we not having quite a meaningful conversation about this problem?76:54
  1322. Is this not an example where this hypothetical AI has solved everything, yet it hasn't solved meaning?Is this not an example where this hypothetical AI has solved everything, yet it hasn't solved meaning?77:01
  1323. And we're now constantly talking about how we're going to get more meaning for human beings?And we're now constantly talking about how we're going to get more meaning for human beings?77:06
  1324. I don't think that the problem is necessarily that meaning would be impossible to access, but if you make meaning harder to access, you end up with some pretty gnarlyNggak pikir.77:09
  1325. outcomes in the same way as it's not impossible to eat healthily, but it is harder to not be fat in a calorie dense, high -processed food environment.outcomes in the same way as it's not impossible to eat healthily, but it is harder to not be fat in a calorie dense, high -processed food environment.77:17
  1326. And if you make it a meaning oasis, it's sparser to get to meaning, then it makes life harder for everybody to find that.And if you make it a meaning oasis, it's sparser to get to meaning, then it makes life harder for everybody to find that.77:27
  1327. Can I ask a dumb question?Can I ask a dumb question?77:38
  1328. Yeah, is it how to open the toothpaste?Yeah, is it how to open the toothpaste?77:40
  1329. I was watching you this year.I was watching you this year.77:42
  1330. Send him here.Send him here.77:44
  1331. Back to the factory.Back to the factory.77:46
  1332. There we go.There we go.77:48
  1333. Let's talk to this co -pack then.Let's talk to this co -pack then.77:48
  1334. Oh my god, amazing.Oh my god, amazing.77:50
  1335. I have another dumb question, which is how do most people or normal people think about meaning?I have another dumb question, which is how do most people or normal people think about meaning?77:50
  1336. Like, how do they define it?Like, how do they define it?77:57
  1337. What is the underlying element of it?What is the underlying element of it?77:58
  1338. I mean, the way that I don't know if I'm normal, I'm probably pretty abnormal, but...Nggak tahu.78:00
  1339. I mean, I do think that meaning may be the wrong term to use because you can apply it to defining a term, you could apply it to was thisI mean, I do think that meaning may be the wrong term to use because you can apply it to defining a term, you could apply it to was this78:05
  1340. conversation meaningless or meaningful?conversation meaningless or meaningful?78:15
  1341. Yeah, we talked about a bunch of stuff that we...is mutually intelligible.Yeah, we talked about a bunch of stuff that we...is mutually intelligible.78:17
  1342. So like, yeah, sure, by definition it's meaningful, but I think we could say purpose.Aku pikir yeah, sure, by definition it's meaningful, but i think we could say purpose..78:21
  1343. Like, people feeling they have a purpose.Like, people feeling they have a purpose.78:25
  1344. There is a point to what they're doing or their life in general.There is a point to what they're doing or their life in general.78:27
  1345. It's sort of how I would think of it.It's sort of how I would think of it.78:34
  1346. I just...I just...78:36
  1347. I mean, that's...I mean, that's...78:40
  1348. If I had to put in a placeholder, that's what I would sort of...If I had to put in a placeholder, that's what I would sort of...78:41
  1349. Western society always attributes...Western society always attributes...78:46
  1350. You know, when you go to a party, what do you do, Tim?You know, when you go to a party, what do you do, Tim?78:49
  1351. What do you do?What do you do?78:53
  1352. Like, you know, this is a canonical question that people ask.Like, you know, this is a canonical question that people ask.78:54
  1353. It's like...It's like...78:56
  1354. Oh, what do I do?Oh, what do I do?78:57
  1355. What do you do?What do you do?78:58
  1356. What do you do with the party?What do you do with the party?78:59
  1357. What do you do?What do you do?79:01
  1358. Yeah, you know...Yeah, you know...79:01
  1359. The cocktail party question.The cocktail party question.79:02
  1360. The cocktail party question.The cocktail party question.79:03
  1361. I tend to try to not ask this question anymore, but I used to.I tend to try to not ask this question anymore, but I used to.79:05
  1362. And it's always funny how...And it's always funny how...79:08
  1363. Slave heroin on the dark web is usually...Slave heroin on the dark web is usually...79:10
  1364. There you go.There you go.79:12
  1365. I mean, that would be a good...I mean, that would be a good...79:12
  1366. Just to code it up, what do you really do?Just to code it up, what do you really do?79:13
  1367. That would be an amazing great...That would be an amazing great...79:14
  1368. They're like, okay.They're like, okay.79:15
  1369. It's better than saying podcast.It's better than saying podcast.79:16
  1370. Yeah, but like, that is...Yeah, but like, that is...79:18
  1371. It's pretty similar actually.It's pretty similar actually.79:19
  1372. It's a job.It's a job.79:21
  1373. The attribute of Western society to a certain extent, with all the focus on productivity and looking at your calendar and managing your time and, you know, sort of goingThe attribute of Western society to a certain extent, with all the focus on productivity and looking at your calendar and managing your time and, you know, sort of going79:22
  1374. from meeting to meeting to meeting and then having a full schedule and organizing, you know, a meetup one month later with your friends and putting it on the calendar,from meeting to meeting to meeting and then having a full schedule and organizing, you know, a meetup one month later with your friends and putting it on the calendar,79:32
  1375. it's so like fascinating because effectively a lot of people treat it as allocating time.it's so like fascinating because effectively a lot of people treat it as allocating time.79:41
  1376. And if they allocate time, that's what kind of people are trying to do.And if they allocate time, that's what kind of people are trying to do.79:49
  1377. And oftentimes, going back to this, the reason why I ask what you do is a lot of the meaning elements for individuals is tied to their craft, their job,And oftentimes, going back to this, the reason why I ask what you do is a lot of the meaning elements for individuals is tied to their craft, their job,79:55
  1378. their sort of livelihood.their sort of livelihood.80:07
  1379. Is it possible to have meaning without resistance?Is it possible to have meaning without resistance?80:09
  1380. Because I was thinking about the chess example that you were talking about, but part of the reason that the game of chess is meaningful is that you're meeting resistance,Because I was thinking about the chess example that you were talking about, but part of the reason that the game of chess is meaningful is that you're meeting resistance,80:11
  1381. even if the resistance is of another player and not the best player in the world that would be computer.even if the resistance is of another player and not the best player in the world that would be computer.80:18
  1382. But part of that requires some sort of friction in the system.But part of that requires some sort of friction in the system.80:24
  1383. There's very few things that I can think of that are meaningful, that are also totally frictionless or just there is no challenge in it.There's very few things that I can think of that are meaningful, that are also totally frictionless or just there is no challenge in it.80:29
  1384. Going back to this, think about relationships.Going back to this, think about relationships.80:36
  1385. We made access to relationships kind of less friction than ever.We made access to relationships kind of less friction than ever.80:40
  1386. You get a catalog of individuals, browse through, find the next person, onto the next.You get a catalog of individuals, browse through, find the next person, onto the next.80:44
  1387. Wow.Wow.80:51
  1388. I mean, you've created sort of an abundant layer on what was previously scarce.I mean, you've created sort of an abundant layer on what was previously scarce.80:52
  1389. Then you have grinder, which is post abundance.Then you have grinder, which is post abundance.80:59
  1390. Post abundance.Post abundance.81:01
  1391. Yeah, there you go.Yeah, there you go.81:02
  1392. Have you guys heard about sniffies?Have you guys heard about sniffies?81:04
  1393. Yeah.Iya.81:05
  1394. No, no, no.No, no, no.81:05
  1395. It's like a new gay anonymous sex app.It's like a new gay anonymous sex app.81:07
  1396. Okay.Oke.81:10
  1397. How are they innovating on grinder?How are they innovating on grinder?81:11
  1398. Tell us.Tell us.81:12
  1399. What went wrong?What went wrong?81:13
  1400. Well, this is what I know because I have some friends out there serving.Well, this is what I know because I have some friends out there serving.81:13
  1401. What were they serving that the Grindup app wasn't?What were they serving that the Grindup app wasn't?81:16
  1402. How do you spell that by the way?How do you spell that by the way?81:19
  1403. I've got to end this podcast.I've got to end this podcast.81:23
  1404. Match group just put in 100 million dollars into the app and it's growing like crazy.Match group just put in 100 million dollars into the app and it's growing like crazy.81:28
  1405. I used to have this thing that if one of the reasons why it was never discussed in parliament or never discussed in Congress was who owns Pornhub?I used to have this thing that if one of the reasons why it was never discussed in parliament or never discussed in Congress was who owns Pornhub?81:33
  1406. What's the name of the company?What's the name of the company?81:43
  1407. Is it Mine Geek?Is it Mine Geek?81:45
  1408. Yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah, yeah, yeah.81:45
  1409. Canadian company.Canadian company.81:46
  1410. Mine Geek had, whilst the Congress was talking about the monopoly that Google had, the meta had, Mine Geek had the most absurd monopoly of the pornography industry, which you'dMine Geek had, whilst the Congress was talking about the monopoly that Google had, the meta had, Mine Geek had the most absurd monopoly of the pornography industry, which you'd81:47
  1411. argue there's a free market solution that only fans came along and that good old only fans fixing the market.argue there's a free market solution that only fans came along and that good old only fans fixing the market.81:57
  1412. Another example is the dating apps.Another example is the dating apps.82:04
  1413. If you look at who owns all the dating apps, I'm pretty sure they own Match, Tinder, Hinge.If you look at who owns all the dating apps, I'm pretty sure they own Match, Tinder, Hinge.82:06
  1414. I don't know if they know.Nggak tahu.82:13
  1415. Pretty much everything.Pretty much everything.82:13
  1416. No, no, Bumble's public.No, no, Bumble's public.82:14
  1417. Okay, so Bumble's separate.Okay, so Bumble's separate.82:16
  1418. Raya maybe.Raya maybe.82:17
  1419. Raya's separate too.Raya's separate too.82:19
  1420. Match group owns everything except for Raya and Bumble roughly.Match group owns everything except for Raya and Bumble roughly.82:20
  1421. But it's crazy that they're allowed such a monopoly on what is now modern dating and nobody discusses it because it's sort of icky to discuss.But it's crazy that they're allowed such a monopoly on what is now modern dating and nobody discusses it because it's sort of icky to discuss.82:22
  1422. The market's so difficult to define in some sense.The market's so difficult to define in some sense.82:29
  1423. Those apps are also really strong.Those apps are also really strong.82:32
  1424. There's been a massive downturn on all these apps.There's been a massive downturn on all these apps.82:33
  1425. What Whitney Wolfe heard has been saying recently that Bumble is going to have my AI avatar date your AI avatar and then it will feed that back up.What Whitney Wolfe heard has been saying recently that Bumble is going to have my AI avatar date your AI avatar and then it will feed that back up.82:36
  1426. Did you see there was an interview she just did like last week or whatever and she's like this is the end of the swipe era and Bumble's introducing thisDid you see there was an interview she just did like last week or whatever and she's like this is the end of the swipe era and Bumble's introducing this82:45
  1427. sort of AI matchmaker or whatever.sort of AI matchmaker or whatever.82:52
  1428. Jared, you ever considered that you might have a drinking problem?Jared, you ever considered that you might have a drinking problem?82:54
  1429. I don't consider a lot, Chris.I don't consider a lot, Chris.82:57
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  1432. And that's not a problem?And that's not a problem?83:06
  1433. Sorry, man.Sorry, man.83:08
  1434. I just kept chugging and waiting for the regret to creep in.I just kept chugging and waiting for the regret to creep in.83:09
  1435. Never happened.Never happened.83:11
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  1448. But going back to your point, Chris, which was the idea, the capitalism removes friction.But going back to your point, Chris, which was the idea, the capitalism removes friction.84:00
  1449. The idea is that you have this invisible layer in society sort of that is fixing supply and demand such that there's this equilibrium at all times.The idea is that you have this invisible layer in society sort of that is fixing supply and demand such that there's this equilibrium at all times.84:06
  1450. And turns out that reduces friction because accessibility, I mean, DoorDash, you can like, I can get an Amazon delivery in 15, 30 minutes or a regular.And turns out that reduces friction because accessibility, I mean, DoorDash, you can like, I can get an Amazon delivery in 15, 30 minutes or a regular.84:21
  1451. You got a fancy dress outfit in less than an hour yesterday.You got a fancy dress outfit in less than an hour yesterday.84:29
  1452. Yeah, because that's what I do on a sunday.Yeah, because that's what I do on a sunday.84:33
  1453. You needed a costume.You needed a costume.84:34
  1454. You needed a costume.You needed a costume.84:35
  1455. Yeah, right.Yeah, right.84:36
  1456. So, these new apps.So, these new apps.84:37
  1457. I mean, it was really beautiful.I mean, it was really beautiful.84:38
  1458. I need a furry with a cape.I need a furry with a cape.84:40
  1459. And that went straight on to Whistler or whatever.And that went straight on to Whistler or whatever.84:42
  1460. Yeah, I was in like a Carmel and I didn't have a bathing suit because people were going in the pool or whatever.Yeah, I was in like a Carmel and I didn't have a bathing suit because people were going in the pool or whatever.84:43
  1461. It was like, oh, I can just DoorDash it in 30 minutes.It was like, oh, I can just DoorDash it in 30 minutes.84:49
  1462. And somebody will bring me a bathing suit because I didn't have a...And somebody will bring me a bathing suit because I didn't have a...84:53
  1463. And that's remarkable.And that's remarkable.84:56
  1464. And I think going back to this, it's like, yeah, obviously, I think it reduces value of things when the friction goes down.Aku pikir ink going back to this, it's like, yeah, obviously, i think it reduces value of things when the friction goes down..84:58
  1465. I do think a great example is Winston Churchill.I do think a great example is Winston Churchill.85:05
  1466. I posted this the other day.I posted this the other day.85:08
  1467. Churchill's biography is so good that you go, Jesus Christ, did this.Churchill's biography is so good that you go, Jesus Christ, did this.85:09
  1468. Which one?Which one?85:13
  1469. The big, I think it's Andrew Roberts, Churchill biography.Aku pikir i think it's andrew roberts, churchill biography..85:14
  1470. First off, Jared, could you pull it up?First off, Jared, could you pull it up?85:17
  1471. How many times Winston Churchill nearly died?How many times Winston Churchill nearly died?85:18
  1472. He outbeats a cat.He outbeats a cat.85:21
  1473. The number of...The number of...85:22
  1474. I think he almost drowns.Aku pikir he almost drowns..85:22
  1475. What a terminal velocity of Winston Churchill.What a terminal velocity of Winston Churchill.85:24
  1476. Yeah, he gets ran over.Yeah, he gets ran over.85:27
  1477. But Churchill used to, and famously a sufferer of depression, as he called it, Black Dog, he used to plant, sorry, he used to lay 200 bricks per day forBut Churchill used to, and famously a sufferer of depression, as he called it, Black Dog, he used to plant, sorry, he used to lay 200 bricks per day for85:29
  1478. a significant period of his life just to keep himself busy.a significant period of his life just to keep himself busy.85:40
  1479. What was he building with those 200 bricks?What was he building with those 200 bricks?85:43
  1480. Apparently, apparently it wasn't actually that good to the stories that the actual big layers came in afterwards, but he would always do...Apparently, apparently it wasn't actually that good to the stories that the actual big layers came in afterwards, but he would always do...85:45
  1481. Yeah, you can have a look.Yeah, you can have a look.85:51
  1482. So here we go, like, yeah, he, Battlefield Dangerous in Cuba, India, Sudan and South Africa, escaped from, yeah, he escaped from the Boar Prisoner War Camp, frontline combat inSo here we go, like, yeah, he, Battlefield Dangerous in Cuba, India, Sudan and South Africa, escaped from, yeah, he escaped from the Boar Prisoner War Camp, frontline combat in85:52
  1483. World War I, got hit by a car.World War I, got hit by a car.86:00
  1484. Believed he was preserved for a purpose.Believed he was preserved for a purpose.86:02
  1485. Felt he was walking a destiny.Felt he was walking a destiny.86:05
  1486. Well, Winston Churchill famously said when he was, I believe a teenager, that I will save Western civilization, which is up there with John D.Well, Winston Churchill famously said when he was, I believe a teenager, that I will save Western civilization, which is up there with John D.86:06
  1487. Rockefeller saying, I will become the richest man ever to exist, called their shots.Rockefeller saying, I will become the richest man ever to exist, called their shots.86:14
  1488. But for every Churchill, for every Rockefeller, there's a thousand decades.But for every Churchill, for every Rockefeller, there's a thousand decades.86:18
  1489. A massive survival.A massive survival.86:20
  1490. You're a new castle right now.You're a new castle right now.86:21
  1491. All right, so I got into, speaking of the UK, I got in trouble for comparing the UK to where it would rank if it was a state.All right, so I got into, speaking of the UK, I got in trouble for comparing the UK to where it would rank if it was a state.86:22
  1492. And I thought that this was a relatively innocuous thing to say, because me and Georgia bought shit on the UK quite a bit.And I thought that this was a relatively innocuous thing to say, because me and Georgia bought shit on the UK quite a bit.86:29
  1493. You know, you're allowed to, you're allowed to, as immigrants having moved from your own country, you're allowed to sort of cast a spell.You know, you're allowed to, you're allowed to, as immigrants having moved from your own country, you're allowed to sort of cast a spell.86:34
  1494. This is why I left, so to speak.This is why I left, so to speak.86:40
  1495. We were the second in the world in millionaire exits not long ago, second only to China, who's got, you know, like 30 times the population or something.We were the second in the world in millionaire exits not long ago, second only to China, who's got, you know, like 30 times the population or something.86:42
  1496. So I decided to post this chart and this chart explains if the UK was a state where it would rank on the list.So I decided to post this chart and this chart explains if the UK was a state where it would rank on the list.86:50
  1497. Here it is.Here it is.86:58
  1498. If the UK were a US state, where would it rank among 50 states?If the UK were a US state, where would it rank among 50 states?86:59
  1499. So life expectancy first, lowest homicide rate first, lowest gun deaths first, lowest prisoner population first, healthcare coverage first, paid maternity leave.So life expectancy first, lowest homicide rate first, lowest gun deaths first, lowest prisoner population first, healthcare coverage first, paid maternity leave.87:02
  1500. Lot of high numbers.Lot of high numbers.87:11
  1501. Statutory paid holiday first, years in education first, lowest road deaths first, lowest drug deaths second, minimum wage third, pupil performance fifth, environmental performance fifth, human development index ninth, lowestStatutory paid holiday first, years in education first, lowest road deaths first, lowest drug deaths second, minimum wage third, pupil performance fifth, environmental performance fifth, human development index ninth, lowest87:12
  1502. obesity tenth, and GDP per capita, 51st.obesity tenth, and GDP per capita, 51st.87:25
  1503. What are you sure about that too?What are you sure about that too?87:31
  1504. Well, I mean, the 51st.Well, I mean, the 51st.87:33
  1505. The fact that it's 51st, the fact that the US just absolutely rules when it comes to capitalism.The fact that it's 51st, the fact that the US just absolutely rules when it comes to capitalism.87:35
  1506. You guys are like a Floyd Mayweather of capitalism.You guys are like a Floyd Mayweather of capitalism.87:41
  1507. Would most countries, I know that the UK is not Europe, you know, Brexit is Brexit, but would countries in Western Europe also look like this in terms of GDPWould most countries, I know that the UK is not Europe, you know, Brexit is Brexit, but would countries in Western Europe also look like this in terms of GDP87:42
  1508. per capita?per capita?87:53
  1509. Probably, right?Probably, right?87:54
  1510. I would guess so.I would guess so.87:55
  1511. What people on the internet got mad at me for is, well, these are stupid things to judge.What people on the internet got mad at me for is, well, these are stupid things to judge.87:56
  1512. Obviously, you've got the lowest gun deaths because you cucks gave up your guns.Obviously, you've got the lowest gun deaths because you cucks gave up your guns.88:02
  1513. The paid maternity leave doesn't matter when this thing, the statutory paid holiday is pointless because the level of productivity, the road deaths are because you don't have big enoughThe paid maternity leave doesn't matter when this thing, the statutory paid holiday is pointless because the level of productivity, the road deaths are because you don't have big enough88:07
  1514. roads or something.roads or something.88:18
  1515. The drug deaths don't matter because you've got no cool drugs, the minimum.Nggak pergi.88:19
  1516. There was basically an American excuse for every single one of these, even the lowest obesity.There was basically an American excuse for every single one of these, even the lowest obesity.88:23
  1517. And I was like, it was just surprising to me because for the most part, British people are very prepared to laugh at Brent, very prepared to point and we'veAnd I was like, it was just surprising to me because for the most part, British people are very prepared to laugh at Brent, very prepared to point and we've88:29
  1518. done, I've done episodes, I've done entire episodes on this is what's wrong and this is what's wrong and this is what's wrong and this is what's wrong.done, I've done episodes, I've done entire episodes on this is what's wrong and this is what's wrong and this is what's wrong and this is what's wrong.88:37
  1519. But as soon as you begin to compare the US to the UK and in some areas, because the whole joke here is that there's lots of things that we'reBut as soon as you begin to compare the US to the UK and in some areas, because the whole joke here is that there's lots of things that we're88:43
  1520. ranking better than the US in apart from one of the most important things, which is how much fucking money we make.ranking better than the US in apart from one of the most important things, which is how much fucking money we make.88:53
  1521. And yeah, they're selective, but sing it.And yeah, they're selective, but sing it.89:01
  1522. You can sing it if you want.You can sing it if you want.89:06
  1523. Sing what?Sing what?89:07
  1524. God save our gracious king.God save our gracious king.89:08
  1525. God save us.God save us.89:15
  1526. Right.Benar.89:17
  1527. So I just got into a lot of shit and I was surprised.So I just got into a lot of shit and I was surprised.89:17
  1528. I thought that Americans would be able to take this with a bit more humility.I thought that Americans would be able to take this with a bit more humility.89:20
  1529. I do tend to think the Americans - Also humility first.I do tend to think the Americans - Also humility first.89:24
  1530. Just yeah.Just yeah.89:26
  1531. But yeah, lowest drug deaths is, I mean, like why - Beating America will be lowest obesity at some point very soon.But yeah, lowest drug deaths is, I mean, like why - Beating America will be lowest obesity at some point very soon.89:30
  1532. With the advent of GLPs and - They're going to be, someone, I saw this thing the other day that read a True Tide is going to be one ofWith the advent of GLPs and - They're going to be, someone, I saw this thing the other day that read a True Tide is going to be one of89:38
  1533. the most successful drugs in history.the most successful drugs in history.89:46
  1534. For sure.For sure.89:48
  1535. One of the most widely used drugs.One of the most widely used drugs.89:49
  1536. Scott Galloway has the idea, he says it's the best, America's the best place to earn money and Europe's the best place to spend money.Scott Galloway has the idea, he says it's the best, America's the best place to earn money and Europe's the best place to spend money.89:51
  1537. Well, the UK is a wonderful country to be poor in and a horrible country to be rich in and America's a great country to be rich in and aWell, the UK is a wonderful country to be poor in and a horrible country to be rich in and America's a great country to be rich in and a89:59
  1538. horrible country to be poor in.horrible country to be poor in.90:05
  1539. Which is kind of interesting if the value of the dollar goes up.Which is kind of interesting if the value of the dollar goes up.90:07
  1540. It's American productivity, GDP or whatever goes up.It's American productivity, GDP or whatever goes up.90:12
  1541. And Americans will go and spend it to Europe, right?And Americans will go and spend it to Europe, right?90:16
  1542. And get the best value for the bang for the buck or if you will.And get the best value for the bang for the buck or if you will.90:19
  1543. Yeah.Iya.90:22
  1544. I mean, I do think the UK is the greatest, the country of all time.I mean, I do think the UK is the greatest, the country of all time.90:23
  1545. I do think that's like a fact.I do think that's like a fact.90:28
  1546. But America's going through its golden age right now.But America's going through its golden age right now.90:31
  1547. Just we're living on borrowed time, mate.Just we're living on borrowed time, mate.90:35
  1548. You know my position on this.You know my position on this.90:37
  1549. I think that we're living on borrowed time.Aku pikir that we're living on borrowed time..90:38
  1550. And this is seen nowhere more clearly than the arrests, countries with the most arrests for posting on social media in 2023.And this is seen nowhere more clearly than the arrests, countries with the most arrests for posting on social media in 2023.90:40
  1551. United Kingdom, 12 ,183, coming in at nearly double second place, which is Belarus, with 6 ,205 and Russia is down with 400.United Kingdom, 12 ,183, coming in at nearly double second place, which is Belarus, with 6 ,205 and Russia is down with 400.90:47
  1552. China with 1 ,500 might be some reporting problems in a couple of those countries.China with 1 ,500 might be some reporting problems in a couple of those countries.90:59
  1553. But that number, which is from the times, it was a time mystery.But that number, which is from the times, it was a time mystery.91:02
  1554. What a great way.What a great way.91:07
  1555. Of social enforcement isn't returning the emails.Of social enforcement isn't returning the emails.91:07
  1556. It's a great group to be part of.It's a great group to be part of.91:10
  1557. Dude, 12 ,000 arrests for posting on social media in 2023.Dude, 12 ,000 arrests for posting on social media in 2023.91:11
  1558. And that number is from the times with Freedom House stats.And that number is from the times with Freedom House stats.91:17
  1559. So that's legit.So that's legit.91:20
  1560. 12 ,183.12 ,183.91:22
  1561. And that was one of the most common.And that was one of the most common.91:23
  1562. How many people, like where would you rank if it was the number of people that have been?How many people, like where would you rank if it was the number of people that have been?91:24
  1563. And I'm like, also first actually.And I'm like, also first actually.91:28
  1564. So yeah, we have made some mistakes over the years.So yeah, we have made some mistakes over the years.91:30
  1565. Alan Shuring, Oscar Wilde.Alan Shuring, Oscar Wilde.91:32
  1566. Not good.Not good.91:36
  1567. We don't treat our gays well.We don't treat our gays well.91:37
  1568. No, we haven't.No, we haven't.91:39
  1569. Alan Carr, pretty good.Alan Carr, pretty good.91:40
  1570. Alan Carr's treated well.Alan Carr's treated well.91:41
  1571. Yeah, Douglas Murray treated relatively well.Yeah, Douglas Murray treated relatively well.91:43
  1572. I had this, because I find now that every time you bring up some negative about the UK, I would have bring up something positive to counteract it.I had this, because I find now that every time you bring up some negative about the UK, I would have bring up something positive to counteract it.91:47
  1573. Like the angel and the devil, the North, the Northeast and the Northwest, which is, I was back home in London, Central London, and I was walking around these beautifulLike the angel and the devil, the North, the Northeast and the Northwest, which is, I was back home in London, Central London, and I was walking around these beautiful91:54
  1574. buildings in London.buildings in London.92:04
  1575. And I used to live in a house that's older than America.And I used to live in a house that's older than America.92:07
  1576. And some of the architecture that exists in the UK, like New York has some quite, and the New York City library is beautiful.And some of the architecture that exists in the UK, like New York has some quite, and the New York City library is beautiful.92:11
  1577. It feels like you guys have stolen that from us.It feels like you guys have stolen that from us.92:18
  1578. And even the Statue of Liberty is from France.And even the Statue of Liberty is from France.92:20
  1579. France, right.France, right.92:23
  1580. But like a lot of the architecture in the US, my friends summarized it great, which is everything looks like the back entrance.But like a lot of the architecture in the US, my friends summarized it great, which is everything looks like the back entrance.92:24
  1581. So even the front.So even the front.92:30
  1582. Looks like what would be the back entrance.Looks like what would be the back entrance.92:31
  1583. And I feel as a Brit being in America, like my parents have the most beautiful place in the world.And I feel as a Brit being in America, like my parents have the most beautiful place in the world.92:34
  1584. And I'm around this mess of a house where the people are just, it's a lot more functional right now.And I'm around this mess of a house where the people are just, it's a lot more functional right now.92:41
  1585. But the UK is, the architecture is stunning.But the UK is, the architecture is stunning.92:46
  1586. And you don't make buildings like that.And you don't make buildings like that.92:50
  1587. We're really grasping at fucking straws though, when we're talking about the architecture.We're really grasping at fucking straws though, when we're talking about the architecture.92:51
  1588. Big Ben's good.Big Ben's good.92:55
  1589. Big Ben's good.Big Ben's good.92:57
  1590. That's the difference between the US and the UK, is that it feels that everything in the US has, or a lot of things in the US, I shall fix,That's the difference between the US and the UK, is that it feels that everything in the US has, or a lot of things in the US, I shall fix,92:58
  1591. has a functional name.has a functional name.93:06
  1592. So I was like, why is it called Joshua Tree?So I was like, why is it called Joshua Tree?93:08
  1593. I was like, oh, it's because it has a lot of Joshua trees.I was like, oh, it's because it has a lot of Joshua trees.93:10
  1594. Or like you have Temp Street.Or like you have Temp Street.93:13
  1595. Why is it Temp Street?Why is it Temp Street?93:15
  1596. Because it's next to 9th Street and before 11th Street.Because it's next to 9th Street and before 11th Street.93:15
  1597. Whereas Big Ben, nobody really knows why it's called Big Ben.Whereas Big Ben, nobody really knows why it's called Big Ben.93:17
  1598. We think it was after some bloke called Ben, but it's not actually been clarified.We think it was after some bloke called Ben, but it's not actually been clarified.93:21
  1599. Big Ben is the, it's not the actual clock, it's the bell that's inside of it, I think.Aku pikir is the, it's not the actual clock, it's the bell that's inside of it, i think..93:25
  1600. Have a look, because I remember I went down to Big Ben, grabbed a whole and I couldn't find it out.Have a look, because I remember I went down to Big Ben, grabbed a whole and I couldn't find it out.93:31
  1601. It's remarkable how if you think about it in the grander scheme of things, young, how young America is.Menurutmu about it in the grander scheme of things, young, how young america is.?93:36
  1602. It's like, what is it?It's like, what is it?93:43
  1603. Like a teenager, maybe less or something, with respect to civilization or modern civilization.Like a teenager, maybe less or something, with respect to civilization or modern civilization.93:44
  1604. And turns out everything is kind of, whereas if you were to create a blank slate of a country and now use the best of whatever exists and maybe tryAnd turns out everything is kind of, whereas if you were to create a blank slate of a country and now use the best of whatever exists and maybe try93:51
  1605. to be created.to be created.93:58
  1606. This is kind of what Dubai's done, right?This is kind of what Dubai's done, right?93:58
  1607. In a way, that you think about Dubai from an infrastructure standpoint, it's just totally artificial.Menurutmu about dubai from an infrastructure standpoint, it's just totally artificial.?94:00
  1608. Yeah, it's absolutely just plowed its way through the desert and said, how do we want to have our roads?Yeah, it's absolutely just plowed its way through the desert and said, how do we want to have our roads?94:06
  1609. How do we want to have our downtown?How do we want to have our downtown?94:12
  1610. I know that there's lots of roads, accidents that you said, I wasn't aware of this.I know that there's lots of roads, accidents that you said, I wasn't aware of this.94:13
  1611. But if you're driving in Dubai, you can be doing 70 miles an hour and looking at Google Maps and your three minutes from your destination, which is in theBut if you're driving in Dubai, you can be doing 70 miles an hour and looking at Google Maps and your three minutes from your destination, which is in the94:17
  1612. middle of a built -up area.middle of a built -up area.94:24
  1613. You're just like pounding it and then you peel off on this perfectly modern designed flyover and then you're deposited outside of the fountains at the bottom of the vergeYou're just like pounding it and then you peel off on this perfectly modern designed flyover and then you're deposited outside of the fountains at the bottom of the verge94:25
  1614. or whatever.or whatever.94:34
  1615. So that's kind of interesting.So that's kind of interesting.94:35
  1616. Whereas if you drive in London, it will take you like 30 minutes.Whereas if you drive in London, it will take you like 30 minutes.94:36
  1617. London's okay, but I mean, once you've been to LA, everything feels totally fucking unbelievable.London's okay, but I mean, once you've been to LA, everything feels totally fucking unbelievable.94:40
  1618. Well, I mean, you know, I've chatted about this before, but I'm just increasingly bullish on neuromodulation, brain stimulation.Well, I mean, you know, I've chatted about this before, but I'm just increasingly bullish on neuromodulation, brain stimulation.94:45
  1619. And there was a piece in the New York Times could at home brain stimulation reduce psychiatry's reliance on SSRIs.And there was a piece in the New York Times could at home brain stimulation reduce psychiatry's reliance on SSRIs.94:55
  1620. And I think part of the framing challenge around, and just to define terms here, so brain stimulation in this particular case, I believe in that New York Times pieceAku pikir ink part of the framing challenge around, and just to define terms here, so brain stimulation in this particular case, i believe in that new york times piece.95:03
  1621. is referring to something called TDCS, where you can basically use, I think it's TDCS, where you can basically use a nine -volt battery.Aku pikir ring to something called tdcs, where you can basically use, i think it's tdcs, where you can basically use a nine -volt battery..95:13
  1622. It's a headset that you can wear at home and it's intended to treat depressive disorder.It's a headset that you can wear at home and it's intended to treat depressive disorder.95:19
  1623. And then you have other types of neuromodulation.And then you have other types of neuromodulation.95:26
  1624. And I use that term because you might not be stimulating.And I use that term because you might not be stimulating.95:30
  1625. You might not be exciting something, you might be inhibiting something.You might not be exciting something, you might be inhibiting something.95:33
  1626. So that would include TMS, which I've spent a lot of time with, so transcranial magnetic stimulation.So that would include TMS, which I've spent a lot of time with, so transcranial magnetic stimulation.95:36
  1627. So you're using magnets with different targets, depending on what you're trying to do.So you're using magnets with different targets, depending on what you're trying to do.95:45
  1628. And I think those are just, it's the very, very, that's the model T of what's coming with neuromodulation.Aku pikir ink those are just, it's the very, very, that's the model t of what's coming with neuromodulation..95:50
  1629. And I think there's going to be a lot of acceleration in the next two years.Aku pikir ink there's going to be a lot of acceleration in the next two years..95:59
  1630. I think it's going to move a lot faster than people expect.Aku pikir it's going to move a lot faster than people expect..96:04
  1631. How does it work?How does it work?96:07
  1632. Well, so for instance, you might have in, say, my case.Well, so for instance, you might have in, say, my case.96:08
  1633. So what I figured out, took me a while, life figured out, but a few years ago is that even though I had been diagnosed, diagnosed myself prior to thatSo what I figured out, took me a while, life figured out, but a few years ago is that even though I had been diagnosed, diagnosed myself prior to that96:14
  1634. as someone with some type of depressive disorder, I think that it was a combination of a few things.Aku pikir ne with some type of depressive disorder, i think that it was a combination of a few things..96:26
  1635. Number one was Lyme disease, which is very much multiple times verified real Lyme disease, not chronic fatigue, masquerading is Lyme disease from Long Island, which is, if you lookNumber one was Lyme disease, which is very much multiple times verified real Lyme disease, not chronic fatigue, masquerading is Lyme disease from Long Island, which is, if you look96:33
  1636. at the CDC map, the Center for Disease Control, it is like...at the CDC map, the Center for Disease Control, it is like...96:45
  1637. Bullseye.Bullseye.96:48
  1638. The is the bullseye outbreak pun intended, because they sometimes get a rash, looks like a bullseye.The is the bullseye outbreak pun intended, because they sometimes get a rash, looks like a bullseye.96:49
  1639. But I think that a lot of psychiatric conditions are downstream of acute infections that then led to chronic neuroinflammation.Aku pikir ink that a lot of psychiatric conditions are downstream of acute infections that then led to chronic neuroinflammation..96:55
  1640. That's taking us a little further afield from the point I was going to make, which is you can use these magnetic pulses in the case of something like acceleratedThat's taking us a little further afield from the point I was going to make, which is you can use these magnetic pulses in the case of something like accelerated97:04
  1641. TMS.TMS.97:13
  1642. And in my case, I realized that it was actually anxiety and rumination.And in my case, I realized that it was actually anxiety and rumination.97:14
  1643. So a combination, the DSM constantly changes in terms of how you diagnose these things.So a combination, the DSM constantly changes in terms of how you diagnose these things.97:17
  1644. Psychiatry is kind of where surgery was like 300 years ago, I would say.Psychiatry is kind of where surgery was like 300 years ago, I would say.97:22
  1645. It's very early days.It's very early days.97:25
  1646. But if I do an fMRI, so you're getting this imaging of the brain, you identify targets for, say, anxiety, like angiosomatic target.But if I do an fMRI, so you're getting this imaging of the brain, you identify targets for, say, anxiety, like angiosomatic target.97:28
  1647. You can inhibit or excite, depending on what you're trying to do, a target with these magnetic pulses, intermittent theta bursts is what it's called.You can inhibit or excite, depending on what you're trying to do, a target with these magnetic pulses, intermittent theta bursts is what it's called.97:39
  1648. And it just feels like a light tapping on your head.And it just feels like a light tapping on your head.97:48
  1649. That's it.That's it.97:50
  1650. It's very tolerable.It's very tolerable.97:51
  1651. And in my case, you might do, for instance, in the latest round of what I've done, take something, it's a drug.And in my case, you might do, for instance, in the latest round of what I've done, take something, it's a drug.97:53
  1652. So you take a neuroplasticity agent beforehand.So you take a neuroplasticity agent beforehand.98:02
  1653. And there are a lot of things that can increase neuroplasticity, but in this case, it's a somewhat antiquated, maybe, antibiotic called decyclicerine.And there are a lot of things that can increase neuroplasticity, but in this case, it's a somewhat antiquated, maybe, antibiotic called decyclicerine.98:05
  1654. So you stick it in your mouth, you let it dissolve for an hour before the stems, and then you're doing three minutes on the hour, or maybe even everySo you stick it in your mouth, you let it dissolve for an hour before the stems, and then you're doing three minutes on the hour, or maybe even every98:14
  1655. half hour, for 10 stems.half hour, for 10 stems.98:22
  1656. And that's it.And that's it.98:25
  1657. And I got three to four months of going from, say, an eight or nine out of generalized anxiety and just OCD rumination to a zero or a one.And I got three to four months of going from, say, an eight or nine out of generalized anxiety and just OCD rumination to a zero or a one.98:26
  1658. Different people.Different people.98:38
  1659. I mean, those are two different lived experiences.I mean, those are two different lived experiences.98:39
  1660. And after three or four months, it starts to creep back in, and then you can go get, say, a booster of some type.And after three or four months, it starts to creep back in, and then you can go get, say, a booster of some type.98:42
  1661. And I know people with depression specifically, there's a lot more data on depression of different types who basically similarly got taken from, like, I can't move, I'm at home,And I know people with depression specifically, there's a lot more data on depression of different types who basically similarly got taken from, like, I can't move, I'm at home,98:49
  1662. some people are cutting and they go from, like, again, this, I'm not a doctor, I'm not giving medical advice, and these are anecdotes.some people are cutting and they go from, like, again, this, I'm not a doctor, I'm not giving medical advice, and these are anecdotes.99:00
  1663. But there are also published studies that people can look into.But there are also published studies that people can look into.99:06
  1664. There's a great scientist named Jonathan Downer, unfortunate name for being someone looking, bringing with someone in depression, but amazing scientist, DOWNAR, people can look him up.There's a great scientist named Jonathan Downer, unfortunate name for being someone looking, bringing with someone in depression, but amazing scientist, DOWNAR, people can look him up.99:09
  1665. I think he's at the University of Toronto.Aku pikir he's at the university of toronto..99:18
  1666. And you see durability in some people, including the son of a friend of mine, 18 months.And you see durability in some people, including the son of a friend of mine, 18 months.99:22
  1667. Well, so instead of three to four months, you get like 18 months.Well, so instead of three to four months, you get like 18 months.99:29
  1668. And so you can start to wonder, it's like, all right, if we look at, let's just say SSRIs, which are miraculous for some people, but the general chemical imbalanceAnd so you can start to wonder, it's like, all right, if we look at, let's just say SSRIs, which are miraculous for some people, but the general chemical imbalance99:32
  1669. theory of depression or anxiety is pretty much thoroughly debunked at this point, right?theory of depression or anxiety is pretty much thoroughly debunked at this point, right?99:44
  1670. You're not depressed because you have low serotonin levels, by and large.You're not depressed because you have low serotonin levels, by and large.99:52
  1671. And when you take pharmaceuticals, I'm sure it's true with GLP ones.And when you take pharmaceuticals, I'm sure it's true with GLP ones.99:56
  1672. I don't think there's a very rarely of biological free lunch, but let's put that aside.Nggak pikir.100:00
  1673. With psychiatric medications, typically you have off target effects, right?With psychiatric medications, typically you have off target effects, right?100:07
  1674. They're going to be side effects.They're going to be side effects.100:11
  1675. They could be sexual dysfunction, they could be whatever their weight gain, they're a million different options.They could be sexual dysfunction, they could be whatever their weight gain, they're a million different options.100:12
  1676. And often they stop working or people don't need them anymore.And often they stop working or people don't need them anymore.100:17
  1677. And then there's no plan for deep prescribing and off ramping these people.And then there's no plan for deep prescribing and off ramping these people.100:21
  1678. So they just stand forever, right?So they just stand forever, right?100:24
  1679. So the idea that you could use electricity is super, super, super interesting.So the idea that you could use electricity is super, super, super interesting.100:27
  1680. And I think I'm hopeful that it will displace a lot of the blunt instrument approach to using over prescription.Aku pikir ink i'm hopeful that it will displace a lot of the blunt instrument approach to using over prescription..100:32
  1681. We'll see.We'll see.100:46
  1682. I mean, it's going to take a lot of tech innovation, which in this case, AI, go to TMAI, it's going to accelerate things a lot.I mean, it's going to take a lot of tech innovation, which in this case, AI, go to TMAI, it's going to accelerate things a lot.100:47
  1683. It's certainly already seeing it.It's certainly already seeing it.100:54
  1684. At like a personal level, what's it like going from, did you say a nine to a one?At like a personal level, what's it like going from, did you say a nine to a one?100:55
  1685. Yeah, like an eight or nine to a one.Yeah, like an eight or nine to a one.101:00
  1686. What's that like?What's that like?101:02
  1687. It's like a felt experience.It's like a felt experience.101:03
  1688. Insomnia gone, right?Insomnia gone, right?101:04
  1689. Like instead of taking 30 to 60 minutes to fall asleep, like lay down five minutes later I'm asleep without any sleep medication.Like instead of taking 30 to 60 minutes to fall asleep, like lay down five minutes later I'm asleep without any sleep medication.101:05
  1690. I mean, that alone is, it's impossible to overstate the effect that has on your daily life every day, right?I mean, that alone is, it's impossible to overstate the effect that has on your daily life every day, right?101:12
  1691. So, it's easier to get over just kind of the scrapes and bruises of life, right?So, it's easier to get over just kind of the scrapes and bruises of life, right?101:23
  1692. Little issues.Little issues.101:27
  1693. You basically, for me, it was like, I find it very useful.You basically, for me, it was like, I find it very useful.101:28
  1694. Like if I'm using the toolkit of stoicism or mindfulness or whatever, like it's a fucking struggle, right?Like if I'm using the toolkit of stoicism or mindfulness or whatever, like it's a fucking struggle, right?101:33
  1695. It's not native to my constitution.It's not native to my constitution.101:39
  1696. But after this, like, oh, wow, suddenly I can meditate for 20 minutes.But after this, like, oh, wow, suddenly I can meditate for 20 minutes.101:43
  1697. And I feel like I've been doing it for years, as opposed to constantly like slapping my monkey mind on the wrist, right?And I feel like I've been doing it for years, as opposed to constantly like slapping my monkey mind on the wrist, right?101:47
  1698. So really tremendous.So really tremendous.101:54
  1699. And what we will see is that you can also use it.And what we will see is that you can also use it.101:56
  1700. This is not that controversial, but for performance enhancement, right?This is not that controversial, but for performance enhancement, right?102:03
  1701. Like you can, I believe you can affect like handedness, trait hypnotizability, like you can, and it's not risk -free, but compared to a lot of the medications that youLike you can, I believe you can affect like handedness, trait hypnotizability, like you can, and it's not risk -free, but compared to a lot of the medications that you102:06
  1702. might get people for in these conditions, the risk profile is pretty good.might get people for in these conditions, the risk profile is pretty good.102:19
  1703. It's interesting that you can have an intervention that makes other interventions more effective.It's interesting that you can have an intervention that makes other interventions more effective.102:23
  1704. So if you can do some sort of TMS thing, and that makes your trait hypnotizability more, that means that you've now opened up the world of hypnotism.So if you can do some sort of TMS thing, and that makes your trait hypnotizability more, that means that you've now opened up the world of hypnotism.102:29
  1705. Yeah, exactly.Yeah, exactly.102:39
  1706. So you're choosing the right domino to tip over first, right?So you're choosing the right domino to tip over first, right?102:40
  1707. And I mean, it's not the time to get into a porn habit then, straight after this.And I mean, it's not the time to get into a porn habit then, straight after this.102:45
  1708. Oh, god damn it, I've just locked this in the music.Oh, god damn it, I've just locked this in the music.102:50
  1709. I mean, it brings up.I mean, it brings up.102:52
  1710. Whistler or tickler or whatever it's called.Whistler or tickler or whatever it's called.102:53
  1711. You tickler.You tickler.102:54
  1712. Also good podcast.Also good podcast.102:56
  1713. This podcast is sponsored by tickler.This podcast is sponsored by tickler.102:58
  1714. When I sit down for a good wank on porno with my athletic brew.When I sit down for a good wank on porno with my athletic brew.103:04
  1715. Brewing company.Brewing company.103:08
  1716. Tickler.Tickler.103:09
  1717. Do you want a man to come round in two minutes?Do you want a man to come round in two minutes?103:10
  1718. Life and times.Life and times.103:17
  1719. A lot of what I think about is just sequencing, right?Aku pikir what i think about is just sequencing, right?.103:20
  1720. Like there's a lot of stuff out there off the rack that works kind of, right?Like there's a lot of stuff out there off the rack that works kind of, right?103:24
  1721. But if you figure out the right sequence, like you can suddenly, it's true, language acquisition too.But if you figure out the right sequence, like you can suddenly, it's true, language acquisition too.103:29
  1722. Like where most of the mistakes are made, I think it's in the sequencing.Aku pikir re most of the mistakes are made, i think it's in the sequencing..103:35
  1723. And you just fix the sequencing, you shuffle things a little bit, you put the right domino in front.And you just fix the sequencing, you shuffle things a little bit, you put the right domino in front.103:37
  1724. And it makes a huge difference.And it makes a huge difference.103:43
  1725. And also this is true with psychedelics in the sense that like Gould Dolan, who's at UC Berkeley, she used to be at Hopkins, but her sort of framework ofAnd also this is true with psychedelics in the sense that like Gould Dolan, who's at UC Berkeley, she used to be at Hopkins, but her sort of framework of103:44
  1726. reopening critical windows with the use of psychedelics is very interesting.reopening critical windows with the use of psychedelics is very interesting.103:57
  1727. And underground facilitators have known this for a long time, but it's like the two or three weeks after a psychedelic, which in this case would include MDMA, although that'sAnd underground facilitators have known this for a long time, but it's like the two or three weeks after a psychedelic, which in this case would include MDMA, although that's104:02
  1728. a longer conversation, you have the ability, and this could extend to say stroke patients are trying to relearn motor control or speaking, things that typically is limited to aa longer conversation, you have the ability, and this could extend to say stroke patients are trying to relearn motor control or speaking, things that typically is limited to a104:11
  1729. very short, relatively short window as a child, right?very short, relatively short window as a child, right?104:22
  1730. You can basically reopen the malleability to develop those things using these drugs in the subsequent two to three weeks.You can basically reopen the malleability to develop those things using these drugs in the subsequent two to three weeks.104:25
  1731. So for instance, if you've just done a bunch of psychedelics, maybe a very bad time to suddenly do a bunch of overdosing on porn and instilling habits that youSo for instance, if you've just done a bunch of psychedelics, maybe a very bad time to suddenly do a bunch of overdosing on porn and instilling habits that you104:32
  1732. would otherwise maybe come and go, but in this case, it could really stick.would otherwise maybe come and go, but in this case, it could really stick.104:47
  1733. Like your play -doh has been warmed up in the microwave, so you want to be careful about those two or three weeks afterwards.Like your play -doh has been warmed up in the microwave, so you want to be careful about those two or three weeks afterwards.104:50
  1734. I think that could also apply to TMS potential.Aku pikir that could also apply to tms potential..104:56
  1735. Why did a two -sided SGB at the start of this year, and the same thing was true for that?Why did a two -sided SGB at the start of this year, and the same thing was true for that?104:59
  1736. Like, hey, man, you've got a window here where your nervous system is unusually absorbent, so treated with appropriate care.Like, hey, man, you've got a window here where your nervous system is unusually absorbent, so treated with appropriate care.105:04
  1737. That was wild though, that SGB that I had.That was wild though, that SGB that I had.105:13
  1738. You should explain what that is, maybe.You should explain what that is, maybe.105:15
  1739. Stelate ganglion block.Stelate ganglion block.105:17
  1740. So there is a bundle of nerves on both sides of your neck that are essentially running to the rest of your nervous system, and you can get an ultrasoundSo there is a bundle of nerves on both sides of your neck that are essentially running to the rest of your nervous system, and you can get an ultrasound105:19
  1741. guided anesthetic injection that goes into it, and it essentially shakes the etch -a -sketch of your nervous system.guided anesthetic injection that goes into it, and it essentially shakes the etch -a -sketch of your nervous system.105:28
  1742. It's a way to think about it.It's a way to think about it.105:36
  1743. It is a relatively hard reset, and you do one side, and then you do another.It is a relatively hard reset, and you do one side, and then you do another.105:37
  1744. You can't do them both together because it actually makes half of your face and half of your throat go to sleep.You can't do them both together because it actually makes half of your face and half of your throat go to sleep.105:41
  1745. So if you were to do both, I think that you might die.Aku pikir u were to do both, i think that you might die..105:46
  1746. You certainly wouldn't be able to swallow.You certainly wouldn't be able to swallow.105:50
  1747. You can't do much stuff.You can't do much stuff.105:51
  1748. Sounds problematic.Sounds problematic.105:53
  1749. You end up with one side of your eyes, eyelids half closed, and speaking is a little bit difficult.You end up with one side of your eyes, eyelids half closed, and speaking is a little bit difficult.105:53
  1750. Anyway, I did one side one day, one side on the other with Matt Cook at BioReset, who's the number one in America for this.Anyway, I did one side one day, one side on the other with Matt Cook at BioReset, who's the number one in America for this.105:59
  1751. It was fascinating, really, really fascinating experience.It was fascinating, really, really fascinating experience.106:08
  1752. Would you do it again?Would you do it again?106:10
  1753. I would, yes.I would, yes.106:11
  1754. What were the benefits?What were the benefits?106:12
  1755. It was an interesting slate clean of some nervous system buildup.It was an interesting slate clean of some nervous system buildup.106:14
  1756. So just agitations, that sort of ambient buzzing that you often have, rumination reduced.So just agitations, that sort of ambient buzzing that you often have, rumination reduced.106:24
  1757. It was very interesting, but I think the thing that's always fascinating to me, because you've got a felt sense of how this thing impacted you.Aku pikir ery interesting, but i think the thing that's always fascinating to me, because you've got a felt sense of how this thing impacted you..106:33
  1758. And because our felt sense is so subject to, did I sleep well?And because our felt sense is so subject to, did I sleep well?106:41
  1759. I'm in a good place with this person.I'm in a good place with this person.106:46
  1760. Have I got the house business going?Have I got the house business going?106:47
  1761. What's happening in my life?What's happening in my life?106:51
  1762. But when you see in data too, and because I track everything with Woop, it was a 30 % increase in HRV.But when you see in data too, and because I track everything with Woop, it was a 30 % increase in HRV.106:52
  1763. I was going to ask you about HRV.I was going to ask you about HRV.106:59
  1764. The 30 % increase in HRV overnight, and that held for, I mean, I mean, what, three, four months now, after it started to tickle back down now, but thatThe 30 % increase in HRV overnight, and that held for, I mean, I mean, what, three, four months now, after it started to tickle back down now, but that107:01
  1765. held for a long time.held for a long time.107:11
  1766. And resting heart rate also did the same, not quite as much, but it was basically a 30 % change in HRV, and that stuck about for a while.And resting heart rate also did the same, not quite as much, but it was basically a 30 % change in HRV, and that stuck about for a while.107:12
  1767. And they do this, it's a one -stop -shop for PTSD in soldiers.And they do this, it's a one -stop -shop for PTSD in soldiers.107:19
  1768. It's a really aggressive intervention for guys that are like super, super, super struggling.It's a really aggressive intervention for guys that are like super, super, super struggling.107:24
  1769. And it just gives you a little bit more room to breathe.And it just gives you a little bit more room to breathe.107:29
  1770. And I was interested in it, and I trust Matt, the guy that did it.And I was interested in it, and I trust Matt, the guy that did it.107:33
  1771. So I was like, okay, you mentioned before risks with the TMS type stuff.So I was like, okay, you mentioned before risks with the TMS type stuff.107:36
  1772. What are some of the risks?What are some of the risks?107:42
  1773. Generally very low.Generally very low.107:44
  1774. I mean, I would say that, again, not a PhD or a doctor, don't play one on the internet.I mean, I would say that, again, not a PhD or a doctor, don't play one on the internet.107:46
  1775. So do your homework, talk to your professionals.So do your homework, talk to your professionals.107:52
  1776. But my understanding is that, I can give you my personal example, right?But my understanding is that, I can give you my personal example, right?107:55
  1777. Occasionally, in the case with my target, with my brain, after the treatment, you can have what's almost like a rebound exaggeration of symptoms for a short period of time,Occasionally, in the case with my target, with my brain, after the treatment, you can have what's almost like a rebound exaggeration of symptoms for a short period of time,108:03
  1778. which is pretty unpleasant, where you might have insomnia for a few days, which I did.which is pretty unpleasant, where you might have insomnia for a few days, which I did.108:13
  1779. I've had that twice.I've had that twice.108:17
  1780. And you've done this twice?And you've done this twice?108:19
  1781. No, I've done it probably five or six times.No, I've done it probably five or six times.108:21
  1782. And it's not, it has not worked 100 % of the time, which is very frustrating.And it's not, it has not worked 100 % of the time, which is very frustrating.108:23
  1783. It's part of the reason why I'm supporting a nascent brain stimulation lab here at UT Austin, getting involved with a couple of the companies because I want to, IIt's part of the reason why I'm supporting a nascent brain stimulation lab here at UT Austin, getting involved with a couple of the companies because I want to, I108:27
  1784. actually know these machines.actually know these machines.108:38
  1785. And I've talked to the technicians and I've talked to the scientists.And I've talked to the technicians and I've talked to the scientists.108:39
  1786. I'm like, I can actually be very, I think helpful here.Aku pikir , i can actually be very, i think helpful here..108:42
  1787. So I'm hoping to figure out how you can make that much more reliable.So I'm hoping to figure out how you can make that much more reliable.108:46
  1788. It's also just pure self -interest, right?It's also just pure self -interest, right?108:51
  1789. I want to be able to use this.I want to be able to use this.108:52
  1790. And I also want to figure out how to get durability out further, right?And I also want to figure out how to get durability out further, right?108:54
  1791. Instead of three to four months, it's like, look, if it's one day, every quarter, like, and it goes from a nine to a one, fantastic, but if only itInstead of three to four months, it's like, look, if it's one day, every quarter, like, and it goes from a nine to a one, fantastic, but if only it108:57
  1792. works, one's out of every four shots, then that sucks in a lot of respects.works, one's out of every four shots, then that sucks in a lot of respects.109:04
  1793. So some of the side effects, the insomnia that I mentioned, in very, very rare cases, people will get temporary tinnitus, they'll get like a ringing.So some of the side effects, the insomnia that I mentioned, in very, very rare cases, people will get temporary tinnitus, they'll get like a ringing.109:10
  1794. These are all pretty uncommon.These are all pretty uncommon.109:21
  1795. And I should say that the, using this for generalized anxiety disorder, OCD, etc., is very much tip of the spear stuff.And I should say that the, using this for generalized anxiety disorder, OCD, etc., is very much tip of the spear stuff.109:24
  1796. So the sample size is not very large.So the sample size is not very large.109:34
  1797. With the depression, there's much more data.With the depression, there's much more data.109:37
  1798. And you can go on PubMed or elsewhere, consensus .app is another decent option, if you want, like an AI interface.And you can go on PubMed or elsewhere, consensus .app is another decent option, if you want, like an AI interface.109:39
  1799. And look at the published papers.And look at the published papers.109:46
  1800. They're right there for you.They're right there for you.109:48
  1801. If you are like, smacking down your sympathetic nervous system, okay, this is the perfect place to talk about this on a podcast, large podcast.If you are like, smacking down your sympathetic nervous system, okay, this is the perfect place to talk about this on a podcast, large podcast.109:51
  1802. After my first effective TMS treatment, the first one that worked, I could not ejaculate for like two weeks.After my first effective TMS treatment, the first one that worked, I could not ejaculate for like two weeks.110:01
  1803. And I fucking lost it.And I fucking lost it.110:08
  1804. You can imagine, I'm just like, I'm like, is this a good news, bad news situation?You can imagine, I'm just like, I'm like, is this a good news, bad news situation?110:10
  1805. Like, yeah, good news.Like, yeah, good news.110:14
  1806. You're not as anxious, bad news.You're not as anxious, bad news.110:15
  1807. You're never going to ejaculate again.You're never going to ejaculate again.110:16
  1808. I was like, what the fucking the doctor?I was like, what the fucking the doctor?110:17
  1809. Yeah, we've never seen that before.Yeah, we've never seen that before.110:19
  1810. I was like, oh, fantastic.I was like, oh, fantastic.110:20
  1811. But eventually, mechanistically, he was like, it could be a dosing problem, where basically we dialed down the volume on your sympathetic nervous system too much.But eventually, mechanistically, he was like, it could be a dosing problem, where basically we dialed down the volume on your sympathetic nervous system too much.110:21
  1812. Because it's sympathetic to get erect sympathetic to come.Because it's sympathetic to get erect sympathetic to come.110:32
  1813. Yeah, they say point and shoot.Yeah, they say point and shoot.110:34
  1814. Parasympathetic, sympathetic.Parasympathetic, sympathetic.110:36
  1815. Damn.Damn.110:37
  1816. Yeah.Iya.110:38
  1817. And I was like, okay, well, maybe we try a lower dose, which I think is part of the reason why it didn't work for me because I try, IAku pikir s like, okay, well, maybe we try a lower dose, which i think is part of the reason why it didn't work for me because i try, i.110:38
  1818. was like, hey, if that was at the time that was five days.was like, hey, if that was at the time that was five days.110:45
  1819. And I was like, I really didn't enjoy those two weeks.And I was like, I really didn't enjoy those two weeks.110:48
  1820. So let's try.So let's try.110:51
  1821. How much are you trying to drink?How much are you trying to drink?110:52
  1822. Let's try two days.Let's try two days.110:53
  1823. I'm a big fan of ejaculating.I'm a big fan of ejaculating.110:55
  1824. You know.You know.110:59
  1825. Sounds like we found the time.Sounds like we found the time.111:00
  1826. Uh, yeah.Uh, yeah.111:01
  1827. You need to go on Whistler.You need to go on Whistler.111:02
  1828. So I need to get a tickler.So I need to get a tickler.111:04
  1829. Tickler.Tickler.111:05
  1830. Sniffies.Sniffies.111:06
  1831. Uh, yeah.Uh, yeah.111:07
  1832. My podcast is accepting sponsors tickler.My podcast is accepting sponsors tickler.111:08
  1833. So then I tried two days, nothing, right?So then I tried two days, nothing, right?111:12
  1834. Then I tried three days a few months later.Then I tried three days a few months later.111:14
  1835. This is increasing dose.This is increasing dose.111:17
  1836. Right.Benar.111:18
  1837. And then eventually got back to five days, still nothing.And then eventually got back to five days, still nothing.111:18
  1838. What the hell, man?What the hell, man?111:22
  1839. But then went back to adding the de -cyclicer in this plasticity agent beforehand, one day, boom.But then went back to adding the de -cyclicer in this plasticity agent beforehand, one day, boom.111:23
  1840. And I was like, okay.And I was like, okay.111:28
  1841. Now that is when I became much more, it's called the one, it's just called one day protocol.Now that is when I became much more, it's called the one, it's just called one day protocol.111:30
  1842. And Jonathan Downer, who I mentioned, is one of the, if not the sort of innovator in the space behind that, along with, Don Vaughn and some other people.And Jonathan Downer, who I mentioned, is one of the, if not the sort of innovator in the space behind that, along with, Don Vaughn and some other people.111:35
  1843. But that one day when that worked, I was like, now this is interesting because currently the insurers are slowly coming around.But that one day when that worked, I was like, now this is interesting because currently the insurers are slowly coming around.111:44
  1844. But all this stuff, a lot of innovation starts with people with money spending way too much money.But all this stuff, a lot of innovation starts with people with money spending way too much money.111:55
  1845. Right.Benar.112:01
  1846. That's just the way it is, right?That's just the way it is, right?112:01
  1847. That's true with electric cars.That's true with electric cars.112:02
  1848. It's true with Uber.It's true with Uber.112:03
  1849. It's true with a million different, the early generation iPhones, right?It's true with a million different, the early generation iPhones, right?112:05
  1850. Didn't even have to copy and paste.Didn't even have to copy and paste.112:10
  1851. You fucking kidding me, right?You fucking kidding me, right?112:11
  1852. These early adopters who have money and they're willing to spend it, like the accelerated TMS protocol, some of the early rounds that I did, it's like all in 30These early adopters who have money and they're willing to spend it, like the accelerated TMS protocol, some of the early rounds that I did, it's like all in 30112:13
  1853. grand out of pocket.grand out of pocket.112:21
  1854. I mean, it's expensive.I mean, it's expensive.112:22
  1855. And when it got down to one day, I was like, okay, now it's about reducing sort of unit cost and increasing throughput with these devices because putting aside theAnd when it got down to one day, I was like, okay, now it's about reducing sort of unit cost and increasing throughput with these devices because putting aside the112:24
  1856. out of pocket cost, a lot of people, they cannot take five days off of work.out of pocket cost, a lot of people, they cannot take five days off of work.112:37
  1857. Yep, do this.Yep, do this.112:42
  1858. Yep.Yep.112:43
  1859. But once you get it to one day, now I'm like, okay, that just went from a very small sort of addressable patient population to a much larger.But once you get it to one day, now I'm like, okay, that just went from a very small sort of addressable patient population to a much larger.112:43
  1860. It's still too expensive, but let's try to work on getting it down.It's still too expensive, but let's try to work on getting it down.112:53
  1861. And that's just TMS, right?And that's just TMS, right?112:57
  1862. You have other things like focused ultrasound that might be interesting for different types of addiction, for instance, where you could actually get enough penetration that you could hit theYou have other things like focused ultrasound that might be interesting for different types of addiction, for instance, where you could actually get enough penetration that you could hit the112:58
  1863. nucleus accumbens and other anatomical structures associated with chemical dependence.nucleus accumbens and other anatomical structures associated with chemical dependence.113:08
  1864. I'm saying, okay, this is very, very, very interesting.I'm saying, okay, this is very, very, very interesting.113:13
  1865. Who's the best company in America for this at the moment?Who's the best company in America for this at the moment?113:16
  1866. I mean, there are a couple of really good ones.I mean, there are a couple of really good ones.113:18
  1867. The two older ones that have the most time on the market are Brainsway, which is out of Israel, very good machines.The two older ones that have the most time on the market are Brainsway, which is out of Israel, very good machines.113:20
  1868. So it's a public -e -traded company, full disclosure.So it's a public -e -traded company, full disclosure.113:34
  1869. I invested in them when they were a public -e -traded company.I invested in them when they were a public -e -traded company.113:37
  1870. MagVenture has a device as well, which I've used.MagVenture has a device as well, which I've used.113:41
  1871. And then the company that I'm involved with is called AMPA, and that is the smallest form factor and the people behind it develop the one -day protocol.And then the company that I'm involved with is called AMPA, and that is the smallest form factor and the people behind it develop the one -day protocol.113:44
  1872. And I think they're sort of the trainability of that device.Aku pikir ink they're sort of the trainability of that device..113:56
  1873. Instead of taking weeks, let's just say to train a technician properly, you can do it in a few hours.Instead of taking weeks, let's just say to train a technician properly, you can do it in a few hours.114:01
  1874. And it's something that fits in the trunk of a car, like a Corolla, as opposed to being the size of a refrigerator.And it's something that fits in the trunk of a car, like a Corolla, as opposed to being the size of a refrigerator.114:08
  1875. And I think they're really, otherwise it wouldn't be involved, very well positioned to finally scale this treatment to millions of people instead of a few thousand.Aku pikir ink they're really, otherwise it wouldn't be involved, very well positioned to finally scale this treatment to millions of people instead of a few thousand..114:14
  1876. So all three of those are on the market.So all three of those are on the market.114:26
  1877. And the lowest cost would certainly be AMPA, but all these devices...And the lowest cost would certainly be AMPA, but all these devices...114:29
  1878. AMPE?AMPE?114:35
  1879. AMPA, AMPA Health.AMPA, AMPA Health.114:37
  1880. And we'll see.And we'll see.114:40
  1881. I mean, I'll be...I mean, I'll be...114:42
  1882. I mean, not just because I'm involved, because it took me a long time.I mean, not just because I'm involved, because it took me a long time.114:47
  1883. I did a fuck ton of due diligence.I did a fuck ton of due diligence.114:50
  1884. I don't think...Nggak pikir.114:53
  1885. A lot of folks don't realize how much due diligence I do before I put something in my newsletter I guess this is OCD, like, hardest when I am inA lot of folks don't realize how much due diligence I do before I put something in my newsletter I guess this is OCD, like, hardest when I am in114:54
  1886. full throttle.full throttle.115:04
  1887. Being used very well.Being used very well.115:04
  1888. Being friends with you is highly useful in situations like this.Being friends with you is highly useful in situations like this.115:05
  1889. In the same way, I went to go and get LASIK in the UK.In the same way, I went to go and get LASIK in the UK.115:08
  1890. Ali Abdaal, Productivity Dude, British Guy, is a doctor, right?Ali Abdaal, Productivity Dude, British Guy, is a doctor, right?115:12
  1891. Was an MD or the equivalent of an MD, GP in the UK.Was an MD or the equivalent of an MD, GP in the UK.115:18
  1892. And I knew that he'd got LASIK.And I knew that he'd got LASIK.115:21
  1893. And I was like, no one's done more research about who's the best obstetrician operator in all of the UK.And I was like, no one's done more research about who's the best obstetrician operator in all of the UK.115:24
  1894. Messaged Ali and he was like, yeah, I spent three weeks speaking to all of my friends and doing all of the reviews and looking at the particular machines.Messaged Ali and he was like, yeah, I spent three weeks speaking to all of my friends and doing all of the reviews and looking at the particular machines.115:34
  1895. I was like, okay, who was that?I was like, okay, who was that?115:42
  1896. Introduced me and it's funny.Introduced me and it's funny.115:43
  1897. This is good.This is good.115:44
  1898. I just get to speed run all of the work that you did.I just get to speed run all of the work that you did.115:45
  1899. Canary down the mind.Canary down the mind.115:47
  1900. I'm the end of the guy in the human centipede, but I'm benefiting.I'm the end of the guy in the human centipede, but I'm benefiting.115:48
  1901. You want to be first in line.You want to be first in line.115:52
  1902. No, I'm at the end, but it gets better progressively as it goes through.No, I'm at the end, but it gets better progressively as it goes through.115:54
  1903. That's cool, man.That's cool, man.115:58
  1904. I'm glad that it's helped.I'm glad that it's helped.115:59
  1905. It is exciting.It is exciting.116:01
  1906. I mean, I think it's saying something when, as somebody who's been so active in funding the science related to psychedelics and psychedelic assisted therapy since 2015, that in theAku pikir i think it's saying something when, as somebody who's been so active in funding the science related to psychedelics and psychedelic assisted therapy since 2015, that in the.116:02
  1907. last three years, I've done almost no psychedelics.last three years, I've done almost no psychedelics.116:17
  1908. It's been purely focused on the neuromodulation.It's been purely focused on the neuromodulation.116:21
  1909. I think it's that important.Aku pikir it's that important..116:24
  1910. We'll see because a lot for a lot of people, psychedelics are nuclear power.We'll see because a lot for a lot of people, psychedelics are nuclear power.116:26
  1911. For the psyche, they are not suitable for all people.For the psyche, they are not suitable for all people.116:32
  1912. There are plenty of people I would carve out for exclusion from.There are plenty of people I would carve out for exclusion from.116:37
  1913. Many times you end up with a Chernobyl or a Fukushima.Many times you end up with a Chernobyl or a Fukushima.116:40
  1914. Yeah, it's a lot squirrelier.Yeah, it's a lot squirrelier.116:45
  1915. It is, you need to be really careful with that stuff.It is, you need to be really careful with that stuff.116:47
  1916. It's supposed to just not being able to come.It's supposed to just not being able to come.116:50
  1917. It has its place.It has its place.116:51
  1918. Can I zoom in more on this?Can I zoom in more on this?116:53
  1919. What was that like at the end of the few weeks?What was that like at the end of the few weeks?116:56
  1920. You said you went from a nine to a one.You said you went from a nine to a one.117:00
  1921. Did you hit a minus seven?Did you hit a minus seven?117:01
  1922. No, no, I didn't.No, no, I didn't.117:03
  1923. I mean, I was pretty...I mean, I was pretty...117:05
  1924. Fukushima.Fukushima.117:08
  1925. Yeah, I was understandably concerned.Yeah, I was understandably concerned.117:09
  1926. Had you have known that it was going to end after two weeks, presumably you would have just been, the fear was this is going to be forever.Had you have known that it was going to end after two weeks, presumably you would have just been, the fear was this is going to be forever.117:16
  1927. Yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah, yeah, yeah.117:21
  1928. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.117:22
  1929. So now...So now...117:23
  1930. But you couldn't feel the anxiety.But you couldn't feel the anxiety.117:24
  1931. No, no, no, no.No, no, no, no.117:25
  1932. But interestingly, for like the every time it has worked for me, I've had that side effect, but now I know that there's an end point, so I don't freakNggak tahu.117:26
  1933. out.out.117:34
  1934. And it's fine.And it's fine.117:35
  1935. Yeah, you just know that you're going to get a couple of really good weeks while you're kind of like a stallion.Yeah, you just know that you're going to get a couple of really good weeks while you're kind of like a stallion.117:36
  1936. Babe, I can just...Babe, I can just...117:41
  1937. Don't worry about me.Don't worry about me.117:43
  1938. How do you...How do you...117:45
  1939. I had a question for you.I had a question for you.117:46
  1940. On the other side of the spectrum, have you seen these devices that simulate your vagus nerve or whatever?On the other side of the spectrum, have you seen these devices that simulate your vagus nerve or whatever?117:48
  1941. Yeah, I know a lot of them.Yeah, I know a lot of them.117:52
  1942. Yeah, what are your thoughts on those?Yeah, what are your thoughts on those?117:54
  1943. Most of them are bunk.Most of them are bunk.117:55
  1944. Are they?Are they?117:56
  1945. Yeah, there's scientists.Yeah, there's scientists.117:57
  1946. You might want to have them on at some point.You might want to have them on at some point.118:00
  1947. He's incredible, named Kevin Tracy.He's incredible, named Kevin Tracy.118:01
  1948. He is the most credible.He is the most credible.118:05
  1949. He wrote a book called The Great Nerve.He wrote a book called The Great Nerve.118:06
  1950. He's the most credible publicly...He's the most credible publicly...118:07
  1951. Not really educating scientists.Not really educating scientists.118:13
  1952. Credible, very highly published scientist who talks about this.Credible, very highly published scientist who talks about this.118:17
  1953. Most of the non -invasive vagus nerve stimulators or that are purported to be vagus nerve stimulators don't actually hit it the right way.Most of the non -invasive vagus nerve stimulators or that are purported to be vagus nerve stimulators don't actually hit it the right way.118:22
  1954. And there's neck -based, and then there's ear -based.And there's neck -based, and then there's ear -based.118:34
  1955. The neck, TBD, but they've been cleared, FDA cleared for, I think, it's either migraines or cluster headaches.Aku pikir , tbd, but they've been cleared, fda cleared for, i think, it's either migraines or cluster headaches..118:38
  1956. Some people seem to benefit.Some people seem to benefit.118:48
  1957. I'd have found it tripled as HRV using a neck -based device.I'd have found it tripled as HRV using a neck -based device.118:50
  1958. I think it was either True Vega or it was the prescription equivalent of True Vega, and it worked really well for him.Aku pikir it was either true vega or it was the prescription equivalent of true vega, and it worked really well for him..118:53
  1959. Same...Same...119:01
  1960. This can be pretty...This can be pretty...119:01
  1961. You've...You've...119:02
  1962. I haven't used them.I haven't used them.119:03
  1963. I had a friend I was talking to.I had a friend I was talking to.119:04
  1964. I suffer from migraines, and so I have to carry around medication all the time.I suffer from migraines, and so I have to carry around medication all the time.119:05
  1965. And somebody told me about these things, and they're like, okay, it has all these benefits of HRV, increase of HRV, all sorts of stuff.And somebody told me about these things, and they're like, okay, it has all these benefits of HRV, increase of HRV, all sorts of stuff.119:11
  1966. It's a temporary state, if you will, but ultimately...It's a temporary state, if you will, but ultimately...119:18
  1967. You should use it daily.You should use it daily.119:21
  1968. It's like a few minutes in the morning, a few minutes a day.It's like a few minutes in the morning, a few minutes a day.119:22
  1969. Yeah, it's kind of reset the nervous system.Yeah, it's kind of reset the nervous system.119:24
  1970. That's kind of the marketing terminology that they've been utilizing.That's kind of the marketing terminology that they've been utilizing.119:27
  1971. Yeah, I mean, really, it's...Yeah, I mean, really, it's...119:30
  1972. What it's doing is it's stimulating the vagus nerve, which is really like two transatlantic cables on either side.What it's doing is it's stimulating the vagus nerve, which is really like two transatlantic cables on either side.119:33
  1973. It's like 100, roughly 100 ,000 fibers on either side.It's like 100, roughly 100 ,000 fibers on either side.119:38
  1974. And then it innervates everything, just about organs, GI tract, et cetera.And then it innervates everything, just about organs, GI tract, et cetera.119:43
  1975. And when you stimulate it, you can...And when you stimulate it, you can...119:49
  1976. I guess the right way to put it, activate isn't quite right, but something called the inflammatory reflex.I guess the right way to put it, activate isn't quite right, but something called the inflammatory reflex.119:57
  1977. And so it can be applied to things like rheumatoid arthritis, different autoimmune disorders.And so it can be applied to things like rheumatoid arthritis, different autoimmune disorders.120:02
  1978. It can be applied to something like asthma attacks.It can be applied to something like asthma attacks.120:08
  1979. It's very, very, very interesting.It's very, very, very interesting.120:11
  1980. So it could be worth looking into for you, right?So it could be worth looking into for you, right?120:15
  1981. The neck -based devices tend to also activate the superficial muscles of the face.The neck -based devices tend to also activate the superficial muscles of the face.120:18
  1982. So it pulls your face down.So it pulls your face down.120:22
  1983. It depends how high you turn it up.It depends how high you turn it up.120:24
  1984. Yeah, it depends on how high you turn it up, but it can be a little uncomfortable.Yeah, it depends on how high you turn it up, but it can be a little uncomfortable.120:25
  1985. The ear -based devices...The ear -based devices...120:30
  1986. You say you've used...You say you've used...120:31
  1987. No, somebody recommended me the ear -based device.No, somebody recommended me the ear -based device.120:31
  1988. Most of the ear -based devices are not actually in the right place.Most of the ear -based devices are not actually in the right place.120:34
  1989. Got it.Got it.120:38
  1990. It needs to be very, very, very precise.It needs to be very, very, very precise.120:38
  1991. It's called the Simba Concha.It's called the Simba Concha.120:42
  1992. It's going to be hard to see.It's going to be hard to see.120:43
  1993. It's right here, kind of where this fold is.It's right here, kind of where this fold is.120:45
  1994. It's at the bottom of that inside, right there.It's at the bottom of that inside, right there.120:47
  1995. Most of the devices being sold on the market, including devices that have lots of fancy names and lots of fancy institutions on the website, they're not in the rightMost of the devices being sold on the market, including devices that have lots of fancy names and lots of fancy institutions on the website, they're not in the right120:50
  1996. place.place.120:57
  1997. It's a fucking shit ton of money behind some of those companies.It's a fucking shit ton of money behind some of those companies.120:58
  1998. Yeah, very few fibers make it to the ear.Yeah, very few fibers make it to the ear.121:01
  1999. I've got a couple of things.I've got a couple of things.121:06
  2000. I had a few things sent to me.I had a few things sent to me.121:07
  2001. I had one that's a handheld device with the two -prong, and you can kind of just stick it on.I had one that's a handheld device with the two -prong, and you can kind of just stick it on.121:08
  2002. Just tase yourself?Just tase yourself?121:15
  2003. Yeah, like that.Yeah, like that.121:16
  2004. And then there's a pair of headphones that have a lug that comes down and sits here.And then there's a pair of headphones that have a lug that comes down and sits here.121:17
  2005. Obviously, that one's way more convenient.Obviously, that one's way more convenient.121:25
  2006. But there's some weird stuff with that.But there's some weird stuff with that.121:27
  2007. You've got to lubricate the end of the adapter, because it needs to be able to have quite a smooth surface.You've got to lubricate the end of the adapter, because it needs to be able to have quite a smooth surface.121:29
  2008. So you have to change the, again, Whistler, you have to change the little heads out on this thing and put that in.So you have to change the, again, Whistler, you have to change the little heads out on this thing and put that in.121:35
  2009. I didn't do it consistently enough to be able to say whether or not it was effective.I didn't do it consistently enough to be able to say whether or not it was effective.121:42
  2010. Yeah, I think for migraines, it's worth looking into.Aku pikir think for migraines, it's worth looking into..121:46
  2011. What's your migraine manifestation?What's your migraine manifestation?121:48
  2012. Do you have aura with it?Do you have aura with it?121:52
  2013. Oh my god, yeah.Oh my god, yeah.121:53
  2014. Which one?Which one?121:54
  2015. What?Apa?121:56
  2016. What do you mean, which one?What do you mean, which one?121:56
  2017. All factory, visual.All factory, visual.121:57
  2018. It's visual.It's visual.121:58
  2019. Visual.Visual.121:59
  2020. And it'll come on, and I've had these since I was five years old, and people were like, the fuck is going on?And it'll come on, and I've had these since I was five years old, and people were like, the fuck is going on?122:00
  2021. I didn't even know.I didn't even know.122:05
  2022. And yeah, you get these auras.And yeah, you get these auras.122:06
  2023. It's like almost as you're on an acid trip, and everything just looks blurry, but moving in a weird way.It's like almost as you're on an acid trip, and everything just looks blurry, but moving in a weird way.122:08
  2024. And then after a while, if you don't take medication during that period.And then after a while, if you don't take medication during that period.122:17
  2025. Then it kicks in.Then it kicks in.122:21
  2026. Then it kicks in.Then it kicks in.122:22
  2027. What do you take, NoTak?What do you take, NoTak?122:22
  2028. Sumitripton.Sumitripton.122:24
  2029. As one just kicked in.As one just kicked in.122:25
  2030. Yep.Yep.122:26
  2031. Oh fuck.Oh fuck.122:27
  2032. I'm so sorry.I'm so sorry.122:28
  2033. No, no, it's all good.No, no, it's all good.122:28
  2034. I don't even know.Nggak tahu.122:29
  2035. I typically track it with, it's either lighting.I typically track it with, it's either lighting.122:31
  2036. It's environmental, like weather changes weirdly enough.It's environmental, like weather changes weirdly enough.122:35
  2037. Or the last element of it is either I have caffeine or wine without any food.Or the last element of it is either I have caffeine or wine without any food.122:38
  2038. And it's really fascinating, because they ask you to keep a diary of your day, and to figure out retroactively what caused it.And it's really fascinating, because they ask you to keep a diary of your day, and to figure out retroactively what caused it.122:45
  2039. There's no other mechanic.There's no other mechanic.122:55
  2040. And it's so, people don't know why, people don't know for what reason.Nggak tahu.122:56
  2041. Some people think it's autoimmune, some people think it's not.Some people think it's autoimmune, some people think it's not.123:00
  2042. And it's a fascinating, so I have to carry medication all the time.And it's a fascinating, so I have to carry medication all the time.123:03
  2043. And I always recommended this.And I always recommended this.123:07
  2044. Yeah.Iya.123:08
  2045. So the prescription version of True Vega, spelled T -R -U -V -A -G -A is called GammaCore.So the prescription version of True Vega, spelled T -R -U -V -A -G -A is called GammaCore.123:09
  2046. Got it.Got it.123:15
  2047. G -A -M -M -A -C -O -R -A is FDA cleared in the US for both acute treatment of migraine, pain and adults, and prevention of migraine, episodic andG -A -M -M -A -C -O -R -A is FDA cleared in the US for both acute treatment of migraine, pain and adults, and prevention of migraine, episodic and123:15
  2048. chronic.chronic.123:22
  2049. A few practical points.A few practical points.123:23
  2050. The effect, evidence is real, but modest compared to top -tier migraine medications like CGRP inhibitors, appears to work best for people who treat attacks early, migraine with aura, patientsThe effect, evidence is real, but modest compared to top -tier migraine medications like CGRP inhibitors, appears to work best for people who treat attacks early, migraine with aura, patients123:25
  2051. who want to reduce medication use, those who can't tolerate triptans and CGRPs.who want to reduce medication use, those who can't tolerate triptans and CGRPs.123:38
  2052. Right.Benar.123:44
  2053. Speaking of those devices, by the way, have you guys seen, there's some companies that are being, now that they're sort of reinvention of input into computers.Speaking of those devices, by the way, have you guys seen, there's some companies that are being, now that they're sort of reinvention of input into computers.123:44
  2054. So for example, less keyboards, more voice, more like natural types of interactions with technology and devices in general.So for example, less keyboards, more voice, more like natural types of interactions with technology and devices in general.123:52
  2055. There are these devices that are coming out, one of my friends has demoed this to me.There are these devices that are coming out, one of my friends has demoed this to me.124:01
  2056. I think Apple just acquired a company where you just put sort of a small device that listens in this sort of region.Aku pikir apple just acquired a company where you just put sort of a small device that listens in this sort of region..124:04
  2057. And without you actually saying anything, it can detect.And without you actually saying anything, it can detect.124:11
  2058. You know, as if you were talking.You know, as if you were talking.124:17
  2059. Makes sense.Makes sense.124:19
  2060. Roughly, it's remarkable.Roughly, it's remarkable.124:20
  2061. And you can imagine a lot of scenarios with this as technology and the input layers become much more natural, much more conversational.And you can imagine a lot of scenarios with this as technology and the input layers become much more natural, much more conversational.124:22
  2062. And you don't have these affordances to speak all the time where imagine that device can effectively read what you want to say without you ever having to say it.And you don't have these affordances to speak all the time where imagine that device can effectively read what you want to say without you ever having to say it.124:33
  2063. And it lives roughly in this region.And it lives roughly in this region.124:42
  2064. Can you tackle any idea why it sat there to detect?Can you tackle any idea why it sat there to detect?124:45
  2065. Is it as if you're moving your mouth but not talking?Is it as if you're moving your mouth but not talking?124:49
  2066. I'm not sure.I'm not sure.124:52
  2067. Let me just sidebar real quick.Let me just sidebar real quick.124:52
  2068. Just because I want to make a safety point, we're talking about the relative safety profile of brain stimulation or neuromodulation with these devices.Just because I want to make a safety point, we're talking about the relative safety profile of brain stimulation or neuromodulation with these devices.124:57
  2069. That does not mean anyone should DIY this stuff.That does not mean anyone should DIY this stuff.125:04
  2070. You can, the brain.You can, the brain.125:08
  2071. The second battery on your head.The second battery on your head.125:09
  2072. The brain is incredibly sensitive.The brain is incredibly sensitive.125:10
  2073. If you hit the wrong target, you can fuck yourself up or make your symptoms a lot worse.If you hit the wrong target, you can fuck yourself up or make your symptoms a lot worse.125:12
  2074. So do not DIY this.So do not DIY this.125:18
  2075. Go to a decent clinic for people who want to explore it.Go to a decent clinic for people who want to explore it.125:21
  2076. I've no stake in any of these.I've no stake in any of these.125:23
  2077. Acacia Clinic in Sunnyvale in California.Acacia Clinic in Sunnyvale in California.125:26
  2078. Salience, which I think is in Dallas.Aku pikir , which i think is in dallas..125:29
  2079. They may have other locations.They may have other locations.125:31
  2080. Owen Muir, M -U -I -R, who's in New York.Owen Muir, M -U -I -R, who's in New York.125:33
  2081. There are a couple of clinics that I know have very good reputations, but work with somebody who knows these devices.There are a couple of clinics that I know have very good reputations, but work with somebody who knows these devices.125:36
  2082. No nine -volt battery and one of those pads that people use for them to get them to have.No nine -volt battery and one of those pads that people use for them to get them to have.125:42
  2083. I was about to go home with a little Jerusalem battery.I was about to go home with a little Jerusalem battery.125:48
  2084. I was about to go home with a little Jerusalem battery.I was about to go home with a little Jerusalem battery.125:50
  2085. There's also, it's not, I don't think, indicated for migrants.Nggak pikir.125:51
  2086. It's pretty sure it's specific to RA, to rheumatoid arthritis, but Setpoint Medical has an implant about the size of a small omega -3.It's pretty sure it's specific to RA, to rheumatoid arthritis, but Setpoint Medical has an implant about the size of a small omega -3.125:56
  2087. It's like an outpatient procedure in the neck, and then it just stimulates like twice a day, the vagus nerve.It's like an outpatient procedure in the neck, and then it just stimulates like twice a day, the vagus nerve.126:05
  2088. No way.No way.126:11
  2089. That was on the front.That was on the front.126:12
  2090. It was on the front cover of the New York Times, the day that I interviewed Kevin Tracy, who was involved with the development of that device.It was on the front cover of the New York Times, the day that I interviewed Kevin Tracy, who was involved with the development of that device.126:14
  2091. Wow.Wow.126:22
  2092. And so they implant it directly into your neck.And so they implant it directly into your neck.126:22
  2093. How'd you recharge it?How'd you recharge it?126:24
  2094. Induction.Induction.126:26
  2095. I'm not sure.I'm not sure.126:27
  2096. Exactly.Tepat.126:28
  2097. Yeah, I mean, it does get.Yeah, I mean, it does get.126:29
  2098. You got the lights.You got the lights.126:30
  2099. You got the lights.You got the lights.126:30
  2100. You got the lights.You got the lights.126:31
  2101. It's magnetic charge.It's magnetic charge.126:32
  2102. Could you imagine?Could you imagine?126:35
  2103. On the device that kind of reads your thoughts, one thing you discover as you get more into meditation is just how sometimes your thoughts aren't even you.On the device that kind of reads your thoughts, one thing you discover as you get more into meditation is just how sometimes your thoughts aren't even you.126:36
  2104. Like the ultimate example, even if you've not experienced any form of meditation, would be like a song that's stuck in your head.Like the ultimate example, even if you've not experienced any form of meditation, would be like a song that's stuck in your head.126:46
  2105. Yeah.Iya.126:51
  2106. I wonder how the device would differ between a song that's stuck in your head and something that you actually want it to do.I wonder how the device would differ between a song that's stuck in your head and something that you actually want it to do.126:51
  2107. Because I remember a great meditation technique.Because I remember a great meditation technique.126:59
  2108. Just imagining my ruminating, giving a microphone.Just imagining my ruminating, giving a microphone.127:01
  2109. Yeah, I actually did.Yeah, I actually did.127:04
  2110. Back into my ear.Back into my ear.127:05
  2111. I think the distinction being that there's sort of this concept of mind reading and or expression of a thought.Aku pikir the distinction being that there's sort of this concept of mind reading and or expression of a thought..127:06
  2112. And the expression of a thought is typically, you know, when you're starting to speak, roughly you would have to, it's not purely like a thought reader in some sense.And the expression of a thought is typically, you know, when you're starting to speak, roughly you would have to, it's not purely like a thought reader in some sense.127:13
  2113. You would have to have an intent associated with it.You would have to have an intent associated with it.127:22
  2114. To going back to your previous point on devices though, my thesis is that the device that you'll probably wear when you interact with AI or whatever, if you wantTo going back to your previous point on devices though, my thesis is that the device that you'll probably wear when you interact with AI or whatever, if you want127:25
  2115. to, has not been invented yet.to, has not been invented yet.127:34
  2116. And it will have this combination of input, output that is much more less visible.And it will have this combination of input, output that is much more less visible.127:36
  2117. Didn't open AI claim that they were going to have three products or something?Didn't open AI claim that they were going to have three products or something?127:46
  2118. And obviously they've got Johnny Ive and the guy that made the iPhone, the original iPhone.And obviously they've got Johnny Ive and the guy that made the iPhone, the original iPhone.127:50
  2119. And then they bought his company, which was called...And then they bought his company, which was called...127:55
  2120. I .O.I .O.127:57
  2121. Yeah, I .O.Yeah, I .O.127:57
  2122. And then there was this very cool sexy video of him and Sam in a totally not fake bar somewhere, having a conversation.And then there was this very cool sexy video of him and Sam in a totally not fake bar somewhere, having a conversation.127:59
  2123. I think it'd be the AirPods.Aku pikir it'd be the airpods..128:07
  2124. They're actually building a phone apparently.They're actually building a phone apparently.128:09
  2125. Okay.Oke.128:12
  2126. They said three different things and one of them is something that no one's ever seen before, which makes maybe a lapel thing, a little button or something like that.They said three different things and one of them is something that no one's ever seen before, which makes maybe a lapel thing, a little button or something like that.128:12
  2127. The airport case makes the most of my sense because we're already using them.The airport case makes the most of my sense because we're already using them.128:20
  2128. People wear them 24 seven.People wear them 24 seven.128:25
  2129. The AirPods was that stat around if the airport was a startup, it'd be like one of the most buying startups in the world.The AirPods was that stat around if the airport was a startup, it'd be like one of the most buying startups in the world.128:26
  2130. Eight in the world.Eight in the world.128:32
  2131. Oh really?Oh really?128:33
  2132. That's wonderful.That's wonderful.128:33
  2133. It's just that alone.It's just that alone.128:34
  2134. And half that's me contributing to...And half that's me contributing to...128:36
  2135. Should we talk about that?Should we talk about that?128:38
  2136. Yeah.Iya.128:39
  2137. We've never spoken about this.We've never spoken about this.128:39
  2138. I've...I've...128:41
  2139. Let's see if I can pull it up.Let's see if I can pull it up.128:42
  2140. Going back to your three devices thing, I think there's probably one device that is an affordance that's kind of listening and or...Aku pikir ck to your three devices thing, i think there's probably one device that is an affordance that's kind of listening and or....128:42
  2141. You can ask me your...You can ask me your...128:51
  2142. Wait, you were a raw dog that took a deer like, let's get rid of this.Wait, you were a raw dog that took a deer like, let's get rid of this.128:52
  2143. There's this sort of one device that probably listens to input in some mechanic or tries to process what you want in possibly a new way that could be likeThere's this sort of one device that probably listens to input in some mechanic or tries to process what you want in possibly a new way that could be like128:57
  2144. a device that's kind of have a microphone or whatnot.a device that's kind of have a microphone or whatnot.129:07
  2145. There's another device where it's like a her type situation where he's wearing that earpiece since constantly speaking to it.There's another device where it's like a her type situation where he's wearing that earpiece since constantly speaking to it.129:09
  2146. And then maybe that third device is kind of this glanceable world, right, where you have this phone.And then maybe that third device is kind of this glanceable world, right, where you have this phone.129:15
  2147. Turns out now applications are becoming less...Turns out now applications are becoming less...129:21
  2148. People are using chat GPT or Claude for everything, right?People are using chat GPT or Claude for everything, right?129:26
  2149. Like you go...Like you go...129:28
  2150. I want to set a timer.I want to set a timer.129:29
  2151. You can do that in chat GPT.You can do that in chat GPT.129:30
  2152. You don't necessarily need a dedicated app.You don't necessarily need a dedicated app.129:31
  2153. Maybe you want one or whatnot.Maybe you want one or whatnot.129:33
  2154. But the idea of the app ecosystem being less valuable than it was before.But the idea of the app ecosystem being less valuable than it was before.129:34
  2155. Given that...Given that...129:40
  2156. Elon's big on this, right?Elon's big on this, right?129:41
  2157. He thinks that all apps are going to go away and your phone is just going to create whatever you need whenever you need it.He thinks that all apps are going to go away and your phone is just going to create whatever you need whenever you need it.129:42
  2158. Roughly.Roughly.129:48
  2159. Exactly.Tepat.129:48
  2160. And I think generally today it's possible to build that type of device without having this ecosystem effect that was necessary in the past.Aku pikir ink generally today it's possible to build that type of device without having this ecosystem effect that was necessary in the past..129:49
  2161. I wonder if that would open up a hole in the market because at the moment the dominance has been pretty tough.I wonder if that would open up a hole in the market because at the moment the dominance has been pretty tough.129:59
  2162. Despite the fact that Apple have kind of shit the bed a lot, you know, the phones have really started to peter out in terms of the progress, at leastDespite the fact that Apple have kind of shit the bed a lot, you know, the phones have really started to peter out in terms of the progress, at least130:06
  2163. from what I know.from what I know.130:14
  2164. This is a user.This is a user.130:14
  2165. Yeah, I can zoom in 15x.Yeah, I can zoom in 15x.130:16
  2166. I can zoom in 20x.I can zoom in 20x.130:18
  2167. At some point it's like, it's a slab of glass and a combination of things.At some point it's like, it's a slab of glass and a combination of things.130:20
  2168. What do you do?What do you do?130:23
  2169. It's a bit the screens brighter or sharper or something, but it's less noticeable.It's a bit the screens brighter or sharper or something, but it's less noticeable.130:25
  2170. You remember when it was what?You remember when it was what?130:29
  2171. The iPhone 5 to the iPhone 12 and each time it was a noticeable leap forward.The iPhone 5 to the iPhone 12 and each time it was a noticeable leap forward.130:31
  2172. Almost the same that's been happening with the AI models, you know, that it seems to have started to at least in terms of noticeable, totally a user experience forAlmost the same that's been happening with the AI models, you know, that it seems to have started to at least in terms of noticeable, totally a user experience for130:36
  2173. me.me.130:44
  2174. I think iOS gets worse every time I upgrade.Aku pikir ios gets worse every time i upgrade..130:45
  2175. The keyboard at the moment just fucking sucks.The keyboard at the moment just fucking sucks.130:47
  2176. It's so bad.It's so bad.130:51
  2177. But they do have an incredible war chest.But they do have an incredible war chest.130:53
  2178. So what do you think?Menurutmu ??130:58
  2179. I don't know how.Nggak tahu.130:59
  2180. Not against a guy with a massive pile of money.Not against a guy with a massive pile of money.131:00
  2181. I'm just, what they can do is they can buy companies.I'm just, what they can do is they can buy companies.131:02
  2182. So I'm wondering, I don't know, do you have any thoughts on who they should buy?Nggak tahu.131:05
  2183. You know, there's a group of people that think that Apple is like the smartest company because they've let the world sort of play itself out, people spending a lotYou know, there's a group of people that think that Apple is like the smartest company because they've let the world sort of play itself out, people spending a lot131:09
  2184. of money, and they're just waiting to see where it hits and then effectively do what they do best, which is never enter the market first, but be the best.of money, and they're just waiting to see where it hits and then effectively do what they do best, which is never enter the market first, but be the best.131:18
  2185. It's exactly what happened to cell phones or smartphones, exactly what happened to kind of AirPods or at least some wireless.It's exactly what happened to cell phones or smartphones, exactly what happened to kind of AirPods or at least some wireless.131:29
  2186. Do with the iPod too.Do with the iPod too.131:37
  2187. iPod too.iPod too.131:38
  2188. Yeah, the iPod was the first element of it, even the computer in some sense.Yeah, the iPod was the first element of it, even the computer in some sense.131:39
  2189. It's plenty of MP3 products before that.It's plenty of MP3 products before that.131:43
  2190. And so it's like they've saved all of this cost for a CapAX.And so it's like they've saved all of this cost for a CapAX.131:44
  2191. They've never spent anything like what Google...They've never spent anything like what Google...131:48
  2192. Go forth and split test these products for us, my minions.Go forth and split test these products for us, my minions.131:50
  2193. Yeah, exactly.Yeah, exactly.131:52
  2194. I think it's a turn of other companies.Aku pikir it's a turn of other companies..131:53
  2195. They effectively let others do the R &D work to a certain extent and then refine that world potentially.They effectively let others do the R &D work to a certain extent and then refine that world potentially.131:54
  2196. And you know, there's an argument to be made that that is a...And you know, there's an argument to be made that that is a...132:01
  2197. You don't need to be first, you just need to be best.You don't need to be first, you just need to be best.132:04
  2198. Right, they also make what, 20 billion per year from Google?Right, they also make what, 20 billion per year from Google?132:06
  2199. For free?For free?132:10
  2200. With the Google search for free.With the Google search for free.132:11
  2201. So Google keeps going up and up and up.So Google keeps going up and up and up.132:12
  2202. So yeah, they're not going to dabble with touching that, which is why Siri still...So yeah, they're not going to dabble with touching that, which is why Siri still...132:14
  2203. What we haven't discussed is how much revenue you contribute to Apple on an annual basis.What we haven't discussed is how much revenue you contribute to Apple on an annual basis.132:20
  2204. I think I'm on my 17th AirPods.Aku pikir i'm on my 17th airpods..132:25
  2205. Because they're a slippery bar of soap.Because they're a slippery bar of soap.132:32
  2206. Yeah, yeah.Yeah, yeah.132:35
  2207. I don't know, it's more...Nggak tahu.132:35
  2208. I've had a few stolen.I've had a few stolen.132:36
  2209. I don't like having things on me as well.I don't like having things on me as well.132:38
  2210. So I'll just leave things.So I'll just leave things.132:40
  2211. So like the amount of times I've left them at Deans.So like the amount of times I've left them at Deans.132:42
  2212. Just a gift to the universe.Just a gift to the universe.132:44
  2213. Over and over again.Over and over again.132:46
  2214. The most frustrating thing is Tim, is you can see where they all are.The most frustrating thing is Tim, is you can see where they all are.132:47
  2215. So there's one in particular right now that's in Cameroon and I can see where he's house it's.So there's one in particular right now that's in Cameroon and I can see where he's house it's.132:51
  2216. Right?Right?132:57
  2217. So I don't know, I still think, no, because I'm a sad little man that I'm not willing to, I'm not willing to fly into Cameroon to confront the man,Nggak pikir.132:58
  2218. but I am willing to press the play sound button.but I am willing to press the play sound button.133:05
  2219. Oh my God.Oh my God.133:08
  2220. You would have night while they're sleeping?You would have night while they're sleeping?133:09
  2221. Yeah.Iya.133:11
  2222. Oh my God.Oh my God.133:11
  2223. Isn't there a single AirPod that's in the like WHO building?Isn't there a single AirPod that's in the like WHO building?133:12
  2224. Yeah, that was Kati's Airpods that were in the WHO building.Yeah, that was Kati's Airpods that were in the WHO building.133:17
  2225. Yeah, just one AirPod was in the single AirPod that he was playing this sound through from the WHO building in New York City.Yeah, just one AirPod was in the single AirPod that he was playing this sound through from the WHO building in New York City.133:20
  2226. Look, look, look, there you go.Look, look, look, there you go.133:25
  2227. It's just there right now.It's just there right now.133:26
  2228. Oh, he's in Ghana.Oh, he's in Ghana.133:27
  2229. He's in Ghana.He's in Ghana.133:28
  2230. Oh, it's...Oh, it's...133:28
  2231. There we go.There we go.133:29
  2232. Eight minutes ago.Eight minutes ago.133:30
  2233. Have you guys ever...Have you guys ever...133:31
  2234. Incredible, but what a great...Incredible, but what a great...133:33
  2235. I mean, I never leave my house without my Airpods.I mean, I never leave my house without my Airpods.133:35
  2236. This is why I think it's such a power user.Aku pikir why i think it's such a power user..133:38
  2237. It's ridiculous.It's ridiculous.133:41
  2238. I keep sounding like a broken record here, but I assume the device is a little pod thing that we have now, headphones and cameras in, but then it's almostI keep sounding like a broken record here, but I assume the device is a little pod thing that we have now, headphones and cameras in, but then it's almost133:42
  2239. you could have a like a holographic screen.you could have a like a holographic screen.133:49
  2240. So people aren't on these glass screens as much and you can make it big, make it small.So people aren't on these glass screens as much and you can make it big, make it small.133:51
  2241. That feels inevitable.That feels inevitable.133:55
  2242. I mean, there's rumour that the next Airpods, like you said, do have visual...I mean, there's rumour that the next Airpods, like you said, do have visual...133:57
  2243. The cameras, and that's crazy.The cameras, and that's crazy.134:02
  2244. If you think about it, you're walking around and there's sort of two spatially aware cameras around you.Menurutmu about it, you're walking around and there's sort of two spatially aware cameras around you.?134:04
  2245. It's kind of like, what was it?It's kind of like, what was it?134:09
  2246. Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Rises when they had the cell phones at the time.Dark Knight Returns or Dark Knight Rises when they had the cell phones at the time.134:11
  2247. Oh yeah, they mapped the entire day.Oh yeah, they mapped the entire day.134:14
  2248. I mean, what do you think Apple's going to do with that day?Menurutmu apple's going to do with that day??134:17
  2249. I don't understand how they're going to do the whole Neuralink thing that you mentioned of they will read your thoughts because of the fact that some thoughts I haveNggak pergi.134:19
  2250. I didn't want to have.I didn't want to have.134:27
  2251. It was me.It was me.134:29
  2252. That there's this meditation technique I once sat in, which is a real cool one.That there's this meditation technique I once sat in, which is a real cool one.134:29
  2253. So it sounds like you're pretty serious in meditating.So it sounds like you're pretty serious in meditating.134:33
  2254. Yes.Iya.134:35
  2255. Yeah.Iya.134:35
  2256. Well, it was originally to fight off a skin condition.Well, it was originally to fight off a skin condition.134:36
  2257. And then it ended up fixed with the eye.And then it ended up fixed with the eye.134:38
  2258. Yeah, Gemini fixed that.Yeah, Gemini fixed that.134:41
  2259. So the story there was...So the story there was...134:42
  2260. Gemini fixed your syphilis.Gemini fixed your syphilis.134:43
  2261. The sci...The sci...134:44
  2262. That's not to be fixed, my friend.That's not to be fixed, my friend.134:46
  2263. AGI is here, man.AGI is here, man.134:47
  2264. Sniffer gave me the syphilis.Sniffer gave me the syphilis.134:49
  2265. No.Tidak.134:51
  2266. I had subatomic domititis for about two years.I had subatomic domititis for about two years.134:53
  2267. Subatomic?Subatomic?134:57
  2268. Sub -suborectomiter.Sub -suborectomiter.134:58
  2269. Okay, I was like, wait, what?Okay, I was like, wait, what?134:59
  2270. My face would break out like right now.My face would break out like right now.135:00
  2271. I wouldn't want to go outside the house.I wouldn't want to go outside the house.135:03
  2272. So I spoke to a few different doctors, a lot of them recommended topical steroid creams.So I spoke to a few different doctors, a lot of them recommended topical steroid creams.135:04
  2273. A lot of them said it was because of stress.A lot of them said it was because of stress.135:08
  2274. So I got deep into meditation.So I got deep into meditation.135:10
  2275. I stopped eating like such little sugar that I once flagged.I stopped eating like such little sugar that I once flagged.135:11
  2276. I once got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, which was a complete false diagnosis.I once got diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, which was a complete false diagnosis.135:16
  2277. Type 1 is pretty hard to...Type 1 is pretty hard to...135:21
  2278. Which is another side story.Which is another side story.135:22
  2279. But I won.But I won.135:24
  2280. Then when I was away, I tracked my skin for years and nothing would work.Then when I was away, I tracked my skin for years and nothing would work.135:25
  2281. Nothing would work.Nothing would work.135:29
  2282. So when I was away on holiday, I just uploaded the file to Gemini and it just...So when I was away on holiday, I just uploaded the file to Gemini and it just...135:30
  2283. The file, you mean a photo?The file, you mean a photo?135:35
  2284. No, all the photos that I have.No, all the photos that I have.135:36
  2285. And it just said, oh, just put Nizrol shampoo on your face.And it just said, oh, just put Nizrol shampoo on your face.135:38
  2286. Oh, wow.Oh, wow.135:41
  2287. And it's never...And it's never...135:41
  2288. So it was fungal?So it was fungal?135:42
  2289. Yes.Iya.135:44
  2290. So the biggest recommendation I would get...So the biggest recommendation I would get...135:44
  2291. So Nizrol is key to conazole for people who are wondering, yeah.So Nizrol is key to conazole for people who are wondering, yeah.135:46
  2292. This is for Dandruff.This is for Dandruff.135:49
  2293. And I do it once a second.And I do it once a second.135:49
  2294. This is for Dandruff.This is for Dandruff.135:51
  2295. It's also very effective for topical fungal infections.It's also very effective for topical fungal infections.135:52
  2296. I did it once every two weeks now and it's completely...I did it once every two weeks now and it's completely...135:56
  2297. Fucking crazy.Fucking crazy.135:59
  2298. It's completely gone.It's completely gone.135:59
  2299. So any recommendation at home, like a practical thing, would be just upload a photo of yourself to Gemini or chat GPT and just say, hey, based off what youSo any recommendation at home, like a practical thing, would be just upload a photo of yourself to Gemini or chat GPT and just say, hey, based off what you136:00
  2300. can see with my skin, recommend me moisturizers, recommend me everything and it will be better than...can see with my skin, recommend me moisturizers, recommend me everything and it will be better than...136:08
  2301. Do you know what people are using?Do you know what people are using?136:13
  2302. Anything you've done before now?Anything you've done before now?136:13
  2303. What do you use Gemini for versus other models?What do you use Gemini for versus other models?136:15
  2304. I'm an LLM whore, Tim.I'm an LLM whore, Tim.136:18
  2305. Yeah.Iya.136:20
  2306. Like I...Like I...136:20
  2307. I'm mischievous.I'm mischievous.136:21
  2308. I'm shifting...I'm shifting...136:22
  2309. He's like the Andri Huberman of LLMs.He's like the Andri Huberman of LLMs.136:22
  2310. Yeah, I'm shifting each time.Yeah, I'm shifting each time.136:25
  2311. Oh, but two...Oh, but two...136:26
  2312. Sorry, I didn't finish the story.Sorry, I didn't finish the story.136:27
  2313. So the meditation point there, there's a great question, which I ended up learning was asking your mind what thoughts are going to come up next.So the meditation point there, there's a great question, which I ended up learning was asking your mind what thoughts are going to come up next.136:28
  2314. And it's like your mind gets a bit...And it's like your mind gets a bit...136:37
  2315. It's almost as Mexican standoff.It's almost as Mexican standoff.136:39
  2316. And the problem with these devices, I once asked myself that and my mind went quiet for six seconds.And the problem with these devices, I once asked myself that and my mind went quiet for six seconds.136:41
  2317. And then for whatever reason, there's this former bi -immunic winger called Iron Robin and it's just him checking in on the left foot in my head.And then for whatever reason, there's this former bi -immunic winger called Iron Robin and it's just him checking in on the left foot in my head.136:46
  2318. And it's like, was that me?And it's like, was that me?136:53
  2319. Why is that there?Why is that there?136:55
  2320. So if I have a neural link device, it's an interesting one of how does it know what was me versus what's just my monkey mind doing strange behaviors?So if I have a neural link device, it's an interesting one of how does it know what was me versus what's just my monkey mind doing strange behaviors?136:56
  2321. I can't wait to see the first failed demos of...I can't wait to see the first failed demos of...137:06
  2322. You know what I mean?You know what I mean?137:10
  2323. Like these epic software demo fails.Like these epic software demo fails.137:11
  2324. Someone gets up and it's just like twat, twat, twat, twat.Someone gets up and it's just like twat, twat, twat, twat.137:13
  2325. Especially given the likelihood of it being Elon to do the first presentation, it's quite high.Especially given the likelihood of it being Elon to do the first presentation, it's quite high.137:17
  2326. A man with a mind that I don't think anybody wants to see broadcast out into public.Nggak pikir.137:22
  2327. Did you see that demo of the Cybertruck where he was on stage?Did you see that demo of the Cybertruck where he was on stage?137:27
  2328. He smashed the window.He smashed the window.137:30
  2329. He was like, wait, that's not supposed to happen.He was like, wait, that's not supposed to happen.137:30
  2330. The best film I've watched all year, it's a British film.The best film I've watched all year, it's a British film.137:34
  2331. It's probably one of the best storytelling examples I've ever heard.It's probably one of the best storytelling examples I've ever heard.137:37
  2332. So people will know it from the Brits Award.So people will know it from the Brits Award.137:41
  2333. It was this horrific incident where Michael B.It was this horrific incident where Michael B.137:43
  2334. Jordan went on stage and somebody shouted the N word out and it was this huge controversial incident.Jordan went on stage and somebody shouted the N word out and it was this huge controversial incident.137:44
  2335. But what actually happened was it was a guy who has one of the most severe form of Tourette's.But what actually happened was it was a guy who has one of the most severe form of Tourette's.137:50
  2336. And he was at...And he was at...137:56
  2337. Subjective film.Subjective film.137:57
  2338. He was subject to the film.He was subject to the film.137:57
  2339. So he was at the BAFTA.So he was at the BAFTA.137:58
  2340. So the film is called I Swear and it's incredible because this guy grew up in Scotland, which is...So the film is called I Swear and it's incredible because this guy grew up in Scotland, which is...137:59
  2341. Think about all the stereotypes you have about England.Think about all the stereotypes you have about England.138:06
  2342. The further north you get, the more harsher it essentially is.The further north you get, the more harsher it essentially is.138:09
  2343. Yeah.Iya.138:13
  2344. Some people from Aberdeen are some of the most brutal people on the planet.Some people from Aberdeen are some of the most brutal people on the planet.138:14
  2345. So this man grew up with extreme Tourette's in the 70s, 80s England, when nobody knew what the condition was.So this man grew up with extreme Tourette's in the 70s, 80s England, when nobody knew what the condition was.138:18
  2346. So the film's amazing because it's just him walking to the shops going, fat twat.So the film's amazing because it's just him walking to the shops going, fat twat.138:24
  2347. And he's just getting the shit beaten out of him and he can't explain what it is.And he's just getting the shit beaten out of him and he can't explain what it is.138:29
  2348. So he's constantly getting into fights.So he's constantly getting into fights.138:33
  2349. There's a scene where he's walking his dog and this is real.There's a scene where he's walking his dog and this is real.138:35
  2350. So he's walking his dog about to go across a busy road and he loves this dog.So he's walking his dog about to go across a busy road and he loves this dog.138:38
  2351. But there's a car coming and he goes, walk forwards now and then he has to grab the dog.But there's a car coming and he goes, walk forwards now and then he has to grab the dog.138:44
  2352. He's Tourette's.He's Tourette's.138:48
  2353. Wow.Wow.138:49
  2354. He's fighting against himself.He's fighting against himself.138:49
  2355. Yeah, he's fighting against himself.Yeah, he's fighting against himself.138:51
  2356. It's so good.It's so good.138:52
  2357. It's such a good film.It's such a good film.138:54
  2358. Where can you see it?Where can you see it?138:55
  2359. If you just search, I swear.If you just search, I swear.138:56
  2360. Fuck you.Fuck you.139:00
  2361. Fuck you.Fuck you.139:01
  2362. So I missed it.So I missed it.139:02
  2363. Fuck you.Fuck you.139:04
  2364. From Living with Chris, the man's a bit of a boomer.From Living with Chris, the man's a bit of a boomer.139:04
  2365. And I'll often give him a recommendation and I'll go, where can I see it?And I'll often give him a recommendation and I'll go, where can I see it?139:06
  2366. And if it's not on Netflix, he can't get it.And if it's not on Netflix, he can't get it.139:10
  2367. No, no, no.No, no, no.139:12
  2368. Just Google it.Just Google it.139:13
  2369. Just figure it out.Just figure it out.139:14
  2370. That's not fair.That's not fair.139:14
  2371. That's not fair and that's not true.That's not fair and that's not true.139:16
  2372. But my response is, what can I watch it on?But my response is, what can I watch it on?139:18
  2373. And I'll just say Google it.And I'll just say Google it.139:20
  2374. Right, but that's a fair...Right, but that's a fair...139:22
  2375. I feel like this is a little bit like...I feel like this is a little bit like...139:23
  2376. Here's a fantastic new restaurant.Here's a fantastic new restaurant.139:26
  2377. Okay, what's Street's on?Okay, what's Street's on?139:27
  2378. I just want a little bit more information.I just want a little bit more information.139:28
  2379. And the fact that you want me knowing what you know, which is that you might understand what streaming service it's on, saying to me that I have to goAnd the fact that you want me knowing what you know, which is that you might understand what streaming service it's on, saying to me that I have to go139:30
  2380. and Google it.and Google it.139:37
  2381. When you could just say it's on Netflix, and me and Tim, this side of the table, we just expect a little bit more decorum.When you could just say it's on Netflix, and me and Tim, this side of the table, we just expect a little bit more decorum.139:38
  2382. You know what I mean?You know what I mean?139:44
  2383. This is why I want AGI to come.This is why I want AGI to come.139:45
  2384. Because it gives me meaning.Because it gives me meaning.139:48
  2385. I'm so glad you brought me some Chris.I'm so glad you brought me some Chris.139:48
  2386. All right, all right, all right.All right, all right, all right.139:50
  2387. Going back to the photo thing, do you guys know what people are using?Going back to the photo thing, do you guys know what people are using?139:51
  2388. They're utilizing chat GBT and whatnot for when they upload photos of themselves.They're utilizing chat GBT and whatnot for when they upload photos of themselves.139:54
  2389. Looks maxing.Looks maxing.139:59
  2390. Oh, that's interesting.Oh, that's interesting.140:01
  2391. Do you know Codes?Do you know Codes?140:02
  2392. What are they?What are they?140:03
  2393. So what...So what...140:04
  2394. So they upload a set of photos.So they upload a set of photos.140:04
  2395. There's these apps on the App Store too now that kind of do a wrapper experience.There's these apps on the App Store too now that kind of do a wrapper experience.140:05
  2396. But the idea is that effectively, you know, you upload photos to Gemini or chat GBT, and then it suggests things that you might want to do.But the idea is that effectively, you know, you upload photos to Gemini or chat GBT, and then it suggests things that you might want to do.140:08
  2397. Whether it's...Whether it's...140:16
  2398. Smash your cheekbones with this type of hair.Smash your cheekbones with this type of hair.140:17
  2399. Medical procedure, you know, jaw surgery, having a symmetric face, even things like hairstyle make a huge difference, or beard or whatever.Medical procedure, you know, jaw surgery, having a symmetric face, even things like hairstyle make a huge difference, or beard or whatever.140:18
  2400. I'm gonna skip that section.I'm gonna skip that section.140:27
  2401. And roughly, it's really interesting that people are doing this because, obviously, there's this huge craze of looks maxing and whatnot.And roughly, it's really interesting that people are doing this because, obviously, there's this huge craze of looks maxing and whatnot.140:29
  2402. And turns out, huge use case for AI.And turns out, huge use case for AI.140:37
  2403. Dude, check out Codes.Dude, check out Codes.140:40
  2404. I've just sent this to you, Jared.I've just sent this to you, Jared.140:41
  2405. Q -O -V -S.Q -O -V -S.140:43
  2406. Yeah, so look at this.Yeah, so look at this.140:45
  2407. So this is glow up without surgery.So this is glow up without surgery.140:46
  2408. Get your personalized facial analysis and transformation plan.Get your personalized facial analysis and transformation plan.140:48
  2409. Based on 2000...Based on 2000...140:50
  2410. Based on academic studies.Based on academic studies.140:50
  2411. So I know the science team behind it.So I know the science team behind it.140:51
  2412. The science team behind this are absolutely sick.The science team behind this are absolutely sick.140:53
  2413. So look at the guy on the right, and then you should be able to do a transition.So look at the guy on the right, and then you should be able to do a transition.140:56
  2414. You see how you can get the middle of the guy's face?You see how you can get the middle of the guy's face?140:59
  2415. You should be able to click on it.You should be able to click on it.141:01
  2416. Yeah, exactly.Yeah, exactly.141:02
  2417. So move it all the way to the right.So move it all the way to the right.141:03
  2418. You was worried about mean intent.You was worried about mean intent.141:04
  2419. Look at this.Look at this.141:06
  2420. And then go to the left.And then go to the left.141:06
  2421. Wow.Wow.141:08
  2422. Got it.Got it.141:09
  2423. So it's like, drive by shooting suspect to soap opera star.So it's like, drive by shooting suspect to soap opera star.141:10
  2424. Exactly.Tepat.141:14
  2425. Get more career opportunities, boost yourself confidence, make a stronger first impression, improve your dating life, enhance your quality of life.Get more career opportunities, boost yourself confidence, make a stronger first impression, improve your dating life, enhance your quality of life.141:15
  2426. So basically it's...So basically it's...141:20
  2427. Go...Go...141:22
  2428. Let me see the one on the left again.Let me see the one on the left again.141:22
  2429. Go...Go...141:24
  2430. You're gonna swing it?You're gonna swing it?141:24
  2431. She's really attractive.She's really attractive.141:26
  2432. Yeah, she's more attractive.Yeah, she's more attractive.141:27
  2433. I feel like that's one of those like Sandra Bullock, oh, she takes off the glasses and walks out.I feel like that's one of those like Sandra Bullock, oh, she takes off the glasses and walks out.141:28
  2434. And she goes...And she goes...141:31
  2435. Yeah, you're like, wait, she just put her hair up.Yeah, you're like, wait, she just put her hair up.141:32
  2436. That's all she did.That's all she did.141:34
  2437. She's shaped her face.She's shaped her face.141:35
  2438. A big dude again, Jared.A big dude again, Jared.141:36
  2439. Show me.Show me.141:38
  2440. Slow it down.Slow it down.141:38
  2441. Go really slow.Go really slow.141:39
  2442. Fucking hell.Fucking hell.141:40
  2443. Really slow.Really slow.141:41
  2444. Slow, slow, slow.Slow, slow, slow.141:42
  2445. You know, this is just IRL face tune, right?You know, this is just IRL face tune, right?141:43
  2446. Yeah.Iya.141:46
  2447. Yeah.Iya.141:47
  2448. So if you...So if you...141:47
  2449. There's like face tune has all of the...There's like face tune has all of the...141:47
  2450. Face tune.Face tune.141:49
  2451. You guys know what face tune is?You guys know what face tune is?141:49
  2452. I learned about it from Fray Rendee a couple of weeks ago.I learned about it from Fray Rendee a couple of weeks ago.141:51
  2453. One of the most...One of the most...141:53
  2454. It came out a long time ago, Israeli company.It came out a long time ago, Israeli company.141:55
  2455. And it's just an easy way of manipulating the way that your face looks and slims your jawline or whatever.And it's just an easy way of manipulating the way that your face looks and slims your jawline or whatever.142:00
  2456. As in on a photo, not actually.As in on a photo, not actually.142:10
  2457. So it turns out every Instagram or before they post...So it turns out every Instagram or before they post...142:13
  2458. Anytime people post photos, they typically went through the same workflows.Anytime people post photos, they typically went through the same workflows.142:16
  2459. And face tune was kind of a...And face tune was kind of a...142:20
  2460. Just a bunch of tools that you can utilize.Just a bunch of tools that you can utilize.142:22
  2461. And now with AI, holy crap.And now with AI, holy crap.142:25
  2462. I mean, the possibilities are quite limitless.I mean, the possibilities are quite limitless.142:28
  2463. And so it can regenerate that photo.And so it can regenerate that photo.142:30
  2464. And so at the bottom, there are all these like AI filters.And so at the bottom, there are all these like AI filters.142:33
  2465. And people use them so, so, so much.And people use them so, so, so much.142:37
  2466. And often I heard the story where one of my friends met somebody from Instagram and they had all these photos and she looked nothing like her real life.And often I heard the story where one of my friends met somebody from Instagram and they had all these photos and she looked nothing like her real life.142:41
  2467. Let me give you this from Freya.Let me give you this from Freya.142:53
  2468. From Freya?From Freya?142:56
  2469. Freya, India is a girl, a writer who just released a book called Goals.Freya, India is a girl, a writer who just released a book called Goals.142:57
  2470. The Nordic God.The Nordic God.143:01
  2471. She does look a little bit like that blonde hair.She does look a little bit like that blonde hair.143:03
  2472. She's like the...She's like the...143:05
  2473. What's the female equivalent of the Ubermensch?What's the female equivalent of the Ubermensch?143:06
  2474. Uberfroing or whatever it's called?Uberfroing or whatever it's called?143:09
  2475. The phone.The phone.143:10
  2476. Yeah, she's that.Yeah, she's that.143:11
  2477. Lifts.Lifts.143:12
  2478. Yeah.Iya.143:13
  2479. She was telling me that when groups of young girls are out and they're taking photos at a party, everybody fights to be the one whose phone is used toShe was telling me that when groups of young girls are out and they're taking photos at a party, everybody fights to be the one whose phone is used to143:13
  2480. have the photo taken because that means that they're the one that's in charge of the face tuning.have the photo taken because that means that they're the one that's in charge of the face tuning.143:24
  2481. Yep.Yep.143:28
  2482. So that they can work on themselves a little bit more.So that they can work on themselves a little bit more.143:29
  2483. I know, I know, I know.I know, I know, I know.143:31
  2484. It's actually a huge social faux pas if you post a picture where you look good and the other person doesn't.It's actually a huge social faux pas if you post a picture where you look good and the other person doesn't.143:33
  2485. That is stitching you may up a little bit.That is stitching you may up a little bit.143:40
  2486. You know, there's a famous English footballer called Ashley Cole.You know, there's a famous English footballer called Ashley Cole.143:43
  2487. Can you just search Ashley Cole's squad photo?Can you just search Ashley Cole's squad photo?143:47
  2488. And this, how long is this?And this, how long is this?143:50
  2489. 10 years?10 years?143:51
  2490. Yeah, when he was at Roma.Yeah, when he was at Roma.143:53
  2491. So it's, and he's retired.So it's, and he's retired.143:54
  2492. Do you want to tell us the story?Do you want to tell us the story?143:55
  2493. Well, it's just a squad photo.Well, it's just a squad photo.143:57
  2494. It's one of those I know it when I see it, ideas I guess.It's one of those I know it when I see it, ideas I guess.143:59
  2495. But it's just a football photo of the entire Roma team.But it's just a football photo of the entire Roma team.144:02
  2496. And Ashley Cole, who's this barrette, is like trying to mingle with these Italians.And Ashley Cole, who's this barrette, is like trying to mingle with these Italians.144:06
  2497. He's going to just go on top left.He's going to just go on top left.144:09
  2498. It's just an iconic...It's just an iconic...144:10
  2499. Yeah, top left.Yeah, top left.144:11
  2500. Because he's just awkwardly leaning on the outside.Because he's just awkwardly leaning on the outside.144:12
  2501. So then he gets memed everywhere.So then he gets memed everywhere.144:15
  2502. This became one of the biggest memes in the world.This became one of the biggest memes in the world.144:17
  2503. So for a long time it's a team.So for a long time it's a team.144:19
  2504. It looks like this.It looks like this.144:21
  2505. What's the headline?What's the headline?144:21
  2506. Scroll down a little bit.Scroll down a little bit.144:22
  2507. Ashley Cole appears to be an outcast in an incredibly awkward Roma team picture.Ashley Cole appears to be an outcast in an incredibly awkward Roma team picture.144:25
  2508. The Mad Times me and Chris have been out with like a group of guys and I'll do the Ashley Cole like two yards.The Mad Times me and Chris have been out with like a group of guys and I'll do the Ashley Cole like two yards.144:30
  2509. He moves off to one side, ruins it.He moves off to one side, ruins it.144:34
  2510. Absolutely ruins it.Absolutely ruins it.144:36
  2511. All right, boys, let's bring this one into the land.All right, boys, let's bring this one into the land.144:37
  2512. You all rule.You all rule.144:39
  2513. Tim, what have you got coming up?Tim, what have you got coming up?144:40
  2514. Where should people go to check out your things?Where should people go to check out your things?144:41
  2515. You can find everything at Tim .Blog.You can find everything at Tim .Blog.144:43
  2516. That's probably the easiest.That's probably the easiest.144:46
  2517. Yeah, check out the newsletter.Yeah, check out the newsletter.144:47
  2518. It's been going for like 10, 12, 14, God knows how many years.It's been going for like 10, 12, 14, God knows how many years.144:48
  2519. Five, 12, 30.Five, 12, 30.144:51
  2520. What was that one, that most recent article about self -improvement?What was that one, that most recent article about self -improvement?144:52
  2521. What I learned from however many years of self -improvement?What I learned from however many years of self -improvement?144:56
  2522. Yes, yeah, that was.Yes, yeah, that was.145:00
  2523. It's called the self -help trap.It's called the self -help trap.145:02
  2524. What I learned after 20 years of quote, unquote, yeah, improving myself.What I learned after 20 years of quote, unquote, yeah, improving myself.145:03
  2525. That's all it says.That's all it says.145:09
  2526. Yeah, that's a long form.Yeah, that's a long form.145:09
  2527. That's on the blog, 10, 12 pages.That's on the blog, 10, 12 pages.145:11
  2528. Tim .Blog slash Friday, sign up for the newsletter.Tim .Blog slash Friday, sign up for the newsletter.145:14
  2529. A lot of the stuff that we're talking about, like go back if you want some, also another reason to check out narrow stimulation, go back and look at theA lot of the stuff that we're talking about, like go back if you want some, also another reason to check out narrow stimulation, go back and look at the145:16
  2530. Brainsway stock graph for the last two or three years.Brainsway stock graph for the last two or three years.145:23
  2531. So that type of stuff you'll learn about before other people.So that type of stuff you'll learn about before other people.145:27
  2532. Okay.Oke.145:30
  2533. I'm not a registered investment advisor.I'm not a registered investment advisor.145:31
  2534. I should make blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.I should make blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.145:33
  2535. You may lose money.You may lose money.145:34
  2536. I appreciate you guys having me on.I appreciate you guys having me on.145:37
  2537. Our app is called Sky SKYE and it's a fun little experience.Our app is called Sky SKYE and it's a fun little experience.145:39
  2538. It's kind of a new way to experience your phone.It's kind of a new way to experience your phone.145:44
  2539. It's kind of ironic that we're, you know, I talked about that having, you know, we talked about the digital detox or whatever, but our goal is to kind ofIt's kind of ironic that we're, you know, I talked about that having, you know, we talked about the digital detox or whatever, but our goal is to kind of145:48
  2540. really make you stop using as much as you would otherwise by surfacing the things that you might care about before such that you don't go into this doom -scrollingNggak peduli.145:56
  2541. world or whatever.world or whatever.146:07
  2542. Imagine something that exists there.Imagine something that exists there.146:09
  2543. It's there when you need it.It's there when you need it.146:12
  2544. It's gone when you don't and we don't really have anything else.Nggak pergi.146:13
  2545. So it's a fun little thing.So it's a fun little thing.146:16
  2546. We, a couple people, and we've got tens of thousands of people on a waitlist right now.We, a couple people, and we've got tens of thousands of people on a waitlist right now.146:17
  2547. So we're trying to fulfill that inference is very expensive, but it's been the time of my life to build this.So we're trying to fulfill that inference is very expensive, but it's been the time of my life to build this.146:22
  2548. I'm, I guess I love technology so much and I love interfaces and I love thinking about the world with respect to how the future might be in terms ofI'm, I guess I love technology so much and I love interfaces and I love thinking about the world with respect to how the future might be in terms of146:27
  2549. people interacting with the technology in a meaningful way, not necessarily in a doom -scrolling sort of this world that we've kind of built.people interacting with the technology in a meaningful way, not necessarily in a doom -scrolling sort of this world that we've kind of built.146:36
  2550. So I don't know where we'll go with that, but it's been an incredible time building.Nggak tahu.146:46
  2551. And what a time to be alive.And what a time to be alive.146:52
  2552. As if you're any type of builder today, it is probably one of the most remarkable times I've ever witnessed.As if you're any type of builder today, it is probably one of the most remarkable times I've ever witnessed.146:54
  2553. I'm baffled every day and so it's been so much fun and we're just getting started.I'm baffled every day and so it's been so much fun and we're just getting started.147:00
  2554. So I'm really excited for that.So I'm really excited for that.147:06
  2555. And at Signal on X with 2Ls, S -I -G -N -U -L -L, if you want to see you call out the Xbox CEO a little bit more.And at Signal on X with 2Ls, S -I -G -N -U -L -L, if you want to see you call out the Xbox CEO a little bit more.147:08
  2556. That's pretty hilarious.That's pretty hilarious.147:15
  2557. I wonder if she's going to watch this.I wonder if she's going to watch this.147:16
  2558. Tickler .com slash Signal.Tickler .com slash Signal.147:17
  2559. Sniffy's.Sniffy's.147:20
  2560. Sniffy's.Sniffy's.147:21
  2561. Sorry, I need to take that username from that app.Sorry, I need to take that username from that app.147:22
  2562. Yeah, yeah, match with me there.Yeah, yeah, match with me there.147:24
  2563. My end, highagency .com forward slash box.My end, highagency .com forward slash box.147:26
  2564. If you want to get a breakdown of all my best books, you've told me to do this.If you want to get a breakdown of all my best books, you've told me to do this.147:29
  2565. There's going to be a book breakdown, a list of a load of different books, but the personal one of Oblomov, a Russian man from the 18th century who theThere's going to be a book breakdown, a list of a load of different books, but the personal one of Oblomov, a Russian man from the 18th century who the147:32
  2566. first 50 pages are about him getting out of bed.first 50 pages are about him getting out of bed.147:41
  2567. So there's more resources like that.So there's more resources like that.147:43
  2568. Get my best books and articles.Get my best books and articles.147:45
  2569. That's it.That's it.147:47
  2570. Thank you.Thank you.147:47
  2571. All right.All right.147:48
  2572. Let's go.Let's go.147:48
  2573. See you next time, everyone.See you next time, everyone.147:48
  2574. Yo, cheers gentlemen.Yo, cheers gentlemen.147:50
  2575. There we go.There we go.147:52
  2576. Yeah.Iya.147:53
  2577. Congratulations.Congratulations.147:55
  2578. You made it to the end of a full podcast episode.You made it to the end of a full podcast episode.147:56
  2579. You are not so TikTok -brained that you've completely dissolved into nothingness.You are not so TikTok -brained that you've completely dissolved into nothingness.147:58
  2580. Why not watch another one?Why not watch another one?148:03
  2581. Right.Benar.148:05
  2582. Go on.Go on.148:07
  2583. Press it.Press it.148:08

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