Latihan shadowing: Blindboy Boatclub | The Tommy Tiernan Show

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  1. Tommy, our next guest is the wonderful Blind Boy Board Club!0:00
  2. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE What's going on?0:06
  3. Yeah!0:13
  4. No!0:16
  5. HE LAUGHS What the fuck are we going to talk about?0:18
  6. LAUGHTER My sports commentary, man.0:23
  7. What?0:26
  8. I'm Marty Marisi.0:27
  9. LAUGHTER You have to cut it a more right, I think.0:29
  10. I do, yeah.0:32
  11. Erm...0:35
  12. What time is it?0:39
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  1. What are you up to?0:43
  2. I just wrote a book.0:44
  3. What did I do?0:48
  4. I know it now, the rustle in the bag, the microphone.0:51
  5. I can position my torso that way so the rustle...0:55
  6. It was really bad, was it?0:58
  7. I get rustle.1:00
  8. I bag rustle and problems, you know?1:01
  9. Yeah.1:03
  10. Is it a melder?1:04
  11. LAUGHTER It's weird, cos I was only thinking about...1:06
  12. The last few times I've seen you on TV and stuff, I've been blown away by your passion and intelligence.1:11
  13. You're on fire, like...1:22
  14. Thank you very much.1:24
  15. You've stuffed to be given out about, don't you?1:25
  16. I have a fair few things to be given out about, yeah.1:28
  17. Erm...1:32
  18. Trying my best, like, do you know what I mean?1:32
  19. What I've found is, like, I'm a clown, like, I'm a fucking clown.1:34
  20. Yeah.1:38
  21. And when a clown says something that...1:38
  22. You're fairly angry for a clown, though.1:41
  23. Yeah, but clowns are allowed to be angry, do you know what I mean?1:42
  24. The things that I say are not in any way remarkable.1:46
  25. It's just because I look like an airship, people listen.1:48
  26. Whereas if I was wearing a suit, people are used to people in suits saying certain things, so you need to change the delivery of the medium, and then all1:52
  27. of a sudden people pay attention.2:00
  28. Like, Trump is doing it in the opposite way, you know?2:02
  29. Dressed like a suit but talking like a clown.2:06
  30. Yeah, yeah, yeah.2:08
  31. So, do you...2:10
  32. Am I right in thinking, do you have a degree in something?2:11
  33. I have a few different things.2:15
  34. I did a Masters last year in a socially engaged art, which is a way of bringing art out of galleries and into the public sphere, because art has gone2:16
  35. up its own hole.2:25
  36. And then I studied psychology for years as well.2:26
  37. I studied psychotherapy.2:30
  38. You've amazed and passionate, like.2:31
  39. You're concerned about the country.2:33
  40. Well, absolutely.2:36
  41. I mean, again, being from Limerick, Limerick is...2:37
  42. Limerick's got the highest rate of suicide in the country.2:40
  43. Limerick is still technically kind of in recession, you know?2:43
  44. Unemployment.2:46
  45. Limerick got a fair wallop after recession, and it was mainly people my own age, so the recession would have hit when I was in my early 20s.2:48
  46. And just half my friends went to Australia, the other half died, and the ones that didn't die were left with severe mental health issues because of lack of support2:56
  47. systems and the pressures of their daily life and the lack of seeing a future.3:06
  48. So I just found myself looking at my Facebook and Twitter one day and seeing that, like, 70 % of kind of men under 30 in the country follow us3:09
  49. online, and I was going, OK, well, how can I bring some...3:19
  50. Especially the stuff that I learned to be a psychotherapist, how can I bring that to those people, but do it in a medium that isn't intimidating, do it with3:22
  51. a bag on my head, do it through with a crack?3:29
  52. Again, my own journey.3:31
  53. I used to suffer unbelievable depression, anxiety, things like that, and I came out the other side of it using psychological tools, and I wouldn't mind people learning a bit3:33
  54. of that because a lot of it you can get through self -help.3:42
  55. Like what?3:44
  56. Cognitive behavioural therapy.3:45
  57. That worked for me, CBT.3:46
  58. If you have anxiety or depression, that you can retrain how you think, and that then will...3:48
  59. means you won't experience intensely unpleasurable emotions.3:56
  60. And that worked for me.3:59
  61. It sounds like you have a lot of...4:01
  62. care then for people who are in that situation.4:06
  63. Because I was able to come out of it, and because I was able to come out of that, I was like...4:10
  64. It wasn't even that difficult.4:15
  65. It wasn't as difficult as I thought it would have been.4:17
  66. I was in a hopeless place, but because I came out of it, I'm going, Jesus Christ, why isn't this in schools?4:19
  67. Why isn't this available to everyone, these tools?4:26
  68. So obviously you want to presatellise it once you kind of...4:28
  69. I don't know, like someone who goes to AA and gets off the drink, they never shut off about AA, you know?4:31
  70. So I'm like that now about mental health tools.4:36
  71. The best mental health services in the country are charities, unfortunately, you know, people like Pierre de Haas.4:39
  72. That shouldn't be the case.4:45
  73. You should be able to go to your GP, and the GP goes, here's a counsellor there, that's on your medical card, and there's no six -month waiting list, you4:47
  74. can get that next week.4:54
  75. That's the service that should exist.4:55
  76. And then to prevent that proactively, from the ages of about three on up, kids should be taught basic psychological tools.4:57
  77. Of how to understand and be resilient with emotions and stress, which we're not taught.5:04
  78. And the reason that this is bordering into conspiracy theory, the reason I think in our society, in Western society in general, that we're not given these tools, is because5:09
  79. we can't be advertised to, if we are completely mentally healthy.5:19
  80. Because if you think of, I don't know, Annie Brand, right?5:25
  81. If you think of a bar of soap, right, when was the last time you saw an ad for a bar of soap, and they're actually telling you how clean5:30
  82. it will get you?5:34
  83. They don't tell you how clean it will get you.5:35
  84. What they'll do is they'll show you photographs of beautiful people.5:37
  85. So when you buy this soap, they're trying to sell you a better version of yourself.5:40
  86. That only works in a population that is not emotionally aware.5:44
  87. When someone becomes emotionally aware, and aware of how they're feeling, then they start buying soap for how clean it gets them.5:47
  88. They're not going to be sold this idealised version of themselves, because they're grounded enough to know, that soap isn't going to make me a better person.5:54
  89. So capitalism itself relies upon populations that aren't too self -aware.6:01
  90. So I wonder...6:07
  91. That's conspiracy theory stuff now.6:08
  92. Let's just make smoking too many joints.6:09
  93. Do you know?6:12
  94. How did that...?6:13
  95. Coming up with those feelings, which are hard and overwhelming, and I think, when you talk about the world of Elman, can you talk me through discovering blind by, and6:19
  96. how that suddenly...6:34
  97. What that felt like, where you suddenly were alone, and anxious, and sad, and not enjoying life, and then after a process of a while, suddenly finding, Jesus, there's freedom6:37
  98. in this, and there's a platform, and there's...6:52
  99. Oh, Jesus, yeah.6:55
  100. Well, ironically, like I said, one of my issues, like, was social anxiety.6:57
  101. So I took putting a bag in my head to be comfortable speaking to a room full of people, do you know what I mean?7:02
  102. But, uh...7:08
  103. Mainly, I used the bag more for my own privacy.7:09
  104. Do you know?7:11
  105. I'm conscious of the fact that, like...7:12
  106. I just want to go to Eldian by toilet roll and not have people talk to me about horse outside, you know?7:14
  107. That's about it, like.7:19
  108. But, um...7:20
  109. I don't know, the bag does...7:22
  110. It allows me to express things that a human doesn't.7:23
  111. I'm a cartoon character, I'm like Homer Simpson, you know?7:27
  112. I don't have to account the way that a normal human would a face would.7:29
  113. Freedom.7:34
  114. Yeah, freedom, yeah.7:34
  115. You've beautiful eyes.7:36
  116. Thank you very much, Tammy.7:38
  117. Thank you.7:39
  118. No, you do.7:40
  119. Thank you.7:41
  120. And I'm struck by the level of care that you feel for people.7:41
  121. Again, there is a selfishness to it.7:48
  122. Um...7:52
  123. And again, this is part of my own self -awareness, it's like...7:52
  124. The reason I do this and try and help other people is because it helps me sleep better at night.7:56
  125. I go to bed going, I did something nice for somebody today, or I tried to help, therefore it helps me.8:01
  126. Do you mean...8:05
  127. When you say that, do you mean an individual, or do you mean through the fandom?8:07
  128. An individual, or even just putting a Facebook status up about something to do with mental health and then getting nice messages from someone saying, that thing you wrote earlier8:11
  129. helped me through today.8:19
  130. Otherwise, I go up my own hall if I'm starting thinking, oh, I'm only doing this for other people.8:21
  131. It's like, no, no, no, I'm...8:24
  132. Part of my journey of mental health is having self -compassion and compassion for other people.8:26
  133. So there is a degree of selfishness to it, but it's not the bad type of selfishness, but there is a self -centredness to it.8:34
  134. Yeah.8:41
  135. What are you like without having the bag?8:42
  136. Do you know what?8:48
  137. Over the years, I'm the same as I am now, to be honest, I'm not too far off, you know?8:49
  138. I mean, the character that I have has grown a lot over the years, but I'm a lot closer now to who I actually am.8:53
  139. Do you know?9:00
  140. I just have the bag, like I said, for privacy.9:01
  141. I don't want to be recognised walking down the street.9:03
  142. I wouldn't wish that on anybody.9:06
  143. I'm sure you know to crack, you know?9:08
  144. There's great wisdom in your mask, for sure, yeah.9:10
  145. And so if I met you without the mask, you'd be just a slightly calmer version of this, is that just it?9:16
  146. I'd be the exact same, I just wouldn't have a bag in my head.9:25
  147. Do you know?9:28
  148. In terms of...9:29
  149. You have beautiful eyes and a beautiful smile.9:31
  150. That sounds like a weird priest.9:33
  151. LAUGHTER That'll be you, too.9:36
  152. Honest of all, you do.9:39
  153. Thank you, thank you.9:40
  154. In terms of what the bandits are up to, work -wise, what's he asked?9:42
  155. At the moment, I just did a book.9:47
  156. I wrote 15 short stories called The Gospel of Cardinal the Blind Boy, because it's fiction and gospels are fiction.9:50
  157. And you would enjoy it, actually, because you're a fan of Flann, aren't you?9:58
  158. Totally, yeah.10:00
  159. And I'm obsessed with Flann myself, you know?10:01
  160. Flann was the Flann O 'Brien, the person who turned me on to...10:03
  161. Not comedy, but Flann O 'Brien turned me on to the Irish way of comedic thinking, you know?10:07
  162. So the book that I wrote is...10:13
  163. It would be very heavily influenced by Flann.10:15
  164. I can't get away from Flann.10:17
  165. Simply as I wasn't trying to, it's just...10:18
  166. He's there in my heart, my core, my creative heart is Flann O 'Brien and James Joyce, as well.10:20
  167. So there's the book, and you're right.10:25
  168. Flann O 'Brien is the godfather of us all, I think.10:27
  169. Yeah, yeah, yeah.10:32
  170. He's phenomenal.10:32
  171. Are you giggin' still?10:34
  172. We're still doing gigs, yeah.10:35
  173. We did Vick or Street there.10:36
  174. We might head over to London for a while.10:38
  175. I have a podcast now, as well, called The Blind Boy Podcast.10:40
  176. So we're just arsonin' around, doing the usual thing, you know?10:45
  177. I mean, the thing with our...10:48
  178. People are always asking us, how are you gettin' on?10:49
  179. I always say, like, we've been goin' for 17 years, but, like, our career trajectory can only be described as...10:51
  180. Ashley, you know yourself, tipping away.10:58
  181. That's our career trajectory.11:00
  182. It's never there, it's never there.11:02
  183. Ashley, you know yourself, tipping away.11:03
  184. That's our career.11:05
  185. I think for everybody who works in Ireland, that's their career.11:06
  186. Yeah, you know yourself, tipping away.11:09
  187. Yeah.11:11
  188. I wish every...11:13
  189. Look is the wrong word, OK, because...11:15
  190. If any of our lives are dependent on look, and I'm sure in some weird way they are, that's not a strong platform, but I wish every bit of strength11:19
  191. and power to you in your messin' and healin' over the next few years.11:30
  192. So fair play.11:36
  193. Ladies and gentlemen...11:37
  194. APPLAUSE .11:39

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