Latihan shadowing: 10 Ways to Have a Better Conversation - Celeste Headlee
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- I want to see a show of hands.0:12
- How many of you have unfriended someone on Facebook because they said something offensive about politics or religion, childcare, food?0:14
- And how many of you know at least one person that you avoid because you just don't want to talk to them?0:24
- You know, it used to be that in order to have a polite conversation, we just had to follow the advice of Henry Higgins and my fair lady, stick to0:32
- the weather and your health.0:38
- But these days, with climate change and anti -vaxxing, those subjects are not safe either.0:40
- So this world that we live in, this world in which every conversation has the potential to devolve into an argument where our politicians can't speak to one another and0:47
- where even the most trivial of issues have someone fighting both passionately for it and against it, it's not normal.0:57
- Pure research did a study of 10 ,000 American adults, and they found that at this moment we are more polarized, we are more divided than we ever have been1:04
- in history.1:13
- We're less likely to compromise, which means we're not listening to each other, and we make decisions about where to live, who to marry and even who our friends are1:14
- going to be based on what we already believe.1:22
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- Again, that means we're not listening to each other.1:26
- A conversation requires a balance between talking and listening, and somewhere along the way we lost that balance.1:28
- Now, part of that is due to technology, these smartphones that you all either have in your hands or close enough that you could grab them really quickly.1:35
- According to pure research, about a third of American teenagers send more than 100 texts a day, and many of them, almost most of them, are more likely to text1:41
- their friends than they are to talk to them face to face.1:52
- There's this great piece in The Atlantic that was written by a high school teacher named Paul Barnwell, and he gave his kids a communication project.1:55
- He wanted to teach them how to speak on a specific subject without using notes, and he said this, I came to realize ...2:02
- ...2:10
- I came to realize that conversational competence might be the single most overlooked skill we fail to teach.2:11
- Kids spend hours each day engaging with ideas and each other through screens, but rarely do they have an opportunity to hone their interpersonal communication skills.2:19
- It might sound like a funny question, but we have to ask ourselves, is there any 21st century skill more important than being able to sustain coherent, confident conversation?2:28
- Now, I make my living talking to people.2:39
- Nobel Prize winners, truck drivers, billionaires, kindergarten teachers, heads of state, plumbers.2:41
- I talk to people that I like, I talk to people that I don't like, I talk to some people that I disagree with deeply on a personal level, but2:48
- I still have a great conversation with them.2:55
- So I'd like to spend the next 10 minutes or so teaching you how to talk and how to listen.2:58
- Many of you have already heard a lot of advice on this, things like, look the person in the eye, think of interesting things, topics to discuss in advance, look3:04
- nod and smile to show that you're paying attention, repeat back what you just heard or summarize it.3:13
- So I want you to forget all of that, it is crap.!3:20
- I'm sorry.3:26
- There is no reason to learn how to show you're paying attention if you are, in fact, paying attention.3:27
- I'm sorry.3:37
- I'm sorry.3:38
- I'm sorry.3:39
- I'm sorry.3:39
- Now, I actually use the exact same skills as a professional interviewer that I do in regular life.3:39
- So, I'm going to teach you how to interview people, and that's actually going to help you learn how to be better conversationalists.3:46
- Learn to have a conversation without wasting your time, without getting bored, and please God, without offending anybody.3:53
- We've all had really great conversations.4:00
- We've had them before, we know what it's like.4:03
- The kind of conversation where you walk away feeling engaged and inspired, or where you feel like you've made a real connection or you've been perfectly understood.4:04
- There is no reason why most of your interactions can't be like that.4:13
- So, I have 10 basic rules.4:17
- I'm going to walk you through all of them, but honestly, if you just choose one of them and master it, you're already going to enjoy better conversations.4:19
- Number one, don't multitask.4:27
- And I don't mean just set down your cell phone or your tablet or your car keys or whatever is in your hand.4:30
- I mean, be present.4:34
- Be in that moment.4:37
- Don't be thinking about your argument you have with your boss.4:39
- Don't be thinking about what you're going to have for dinner.4:42
- If you want to get out of the conversation, get out of the conversation.4:44
- But don't be half in it and half out of it.4:46
- Number two, don't pontificate.4:50
- If you wanted to state your opinion without any opportunity for response or argument or pushback or growth, write a blog.4:52
- No, there's a really good reason why I don't allow pundits on my show, because they're really boring.5:03
- If they're a conservative, they're going to hate Obama and food stamps and abortion.5:10
- If they're a liberal or they're going to hate big banks and oil corporations and Dick Cheney.5:14
- Totally predictable.5:18
- And you don't want to be like that.5:20
- You need to enter every conversation assuming that you have something to learn.5:21
- The famed therapist, Ebscott Peck, said that true listening requires a setting aside of oneself.5:27
- And sometimes that means setting aside your personal opinion.5:34
- He said that, sensing this acceptance, the speaker will become less and less vulnerable and more and more likely to open up the inner recesses of his or her mind5:38
- to the listener.5:47
- Again, assume that you have something to learn.5:49
- Bill Nye, everyone you will ever meet knows something that you don't.5:52
- I put it this way.5:57
- Everybody is an expert in something.5:58
- Number three, use open -ended questions.6:03
- In this case, take a cue from journalists.6:05
- Start your questions with who, what, where, when, why or how.6:07
- If you put in a complicated question, you're going to get a simple answer out.6:11
- If I ask you, were you terrified?6:14
- You're going to respond to the most powerful word in that sentence, which is terrified, and the answer is, yes, I was or no, I wasn't.6:17
- Were you angry?6:22
- Yes, I was very angry.6:23
- Let them describe it.6:25
- They're the ones that know.6:26
- Try asking them things like, what was that like?6:28
- How did that feel?6:31
- Because then they might have to stop for a moment and think about it, and you're going to get a much more interesting response.6:33
- Number four, go with the flow.6:40
- That means thoughts will come into your mind and you need to let them go out of your mind.6:43
- We've heard interviews often in which a guest is talking for several minutes and then the host comes back in and asks a question, which seems like it comes out6:49
- of nowhere or it's already been answered.6:57
- That means the host probably stopped listening two minutes ago because he thought of this really clever question, and he was just bound and determined to say that.6:59
- And we do the exact same thing.7:09
- We're sitting there having a conversation with someone, and then we remember that time that we met Hugh Jackman in a coffee shop, and we stopped listening.7:11
- Stories and ideas are going to come to you.7:20
- You need to let them come and let them go.7:22
- Number five, if you don't know, say that you don't know.7:26
- Now, people on the radio, especially on NPR, are much more aware that they're going on the record, and so they're more careful about what they claim to be an7:30
- expert in and what they claim to know for sure.7:39
- Do that.7:41
- Air on the side of caution.7:42
- Talk should not be cheap.7:44
- Number six, don't equate your experience with theirs.7:46
- If they're talking about having lost a family member, don't start talking about the time that you lost a family member.7:51
- If you're talking about the trouble that they're having at work, don't tell them about how much you hate your job.7:56
- It's not the same.8:00
- It is never the same.8:01
- All experiences are individual, and more importantly, it is not about you.8:03
- You don't need to take that moment to prove how amazing you are or how much you've suffered.8:09
- Somebody asked Stephen Hawking once what his IQ was, and he says, I have no idea.8:15
- People who brag about their IQs are losers.8:18
- The conversations are not a promotional opportunity.8:22
- Number seven, try not to repeat yourself.8:28
- It's condescending and it's really boring, and we tend to do it a lot, especially in work conversations or in conversations with our kids.8:32
- We have a point to make, so we just keep rephrasing it over and over.8:40
- Don't do that.8:45
- Number eight, stay out of the weeds.8:46
- Frankly, people don't care about the years, the names, the dates, all those details that you're struggling to come up with in your mind.8:49
- They don't care.8:59
- What they care about is you.9:00
- They care about what you're like, what you have in common.9:01
- So forget the details.9:05
- Leave them out.9:07
- Number nine, this is not the last one, but it is the most important one.9:08
- Listen, I cannot tell you how many really important people have said that listening is perhaps the most, the number one most important skill that you could develop.9:13
- Buddha said, and I'm paraphrasing, if your mouth is open, you're not learning.9:23
- And Calvin Coolidge said, no man ever listened his way out of a job.9:27
- ...9:32
- Why do we not listen to each other?9:34
- Number one, we'd rather talk.9:36
- When I'm talking, I'm in control.9:39
- I don't have to hear anything I'm not interested in.9:41
- I'm the center of attention.9:43
- I can bolster my own identity.9:45
- But there's another reason.9:46
- We get distracted.9:48
- The average person talks at about 225 words per minute, but we can listen at up to 500 words per minute.9:49
- So our minds are filling in those other 275 words.9:57
- And look, I know it takes effort and energy to actually pay attention to someone, but if you can't do that, you're not in a conversation.10:01
- You're just two people shouting out barely related sentences in the same place.10:10
- ...10:14
- You have to listen to one another.10:16
- Stephen Covey said it very beautifully.10:19
- He said, most of us don't listen with the intent to understand.10:20
- We listen with the intent to reply.10:24
- One more rule, and number 10, and it's this one.10:28
- Be brief.10:32
- ...10:34
- ...10:36
- ...10:42
- All of this boils down to the same basic concept, and it is this one.10:42
- Be interested in other people.10:47
- You know, I grew up with a very famous grandfather, and there was kind of a ritual in my home.10:50
- People would come over to talk to my grandparents, and after they would leave, my mother would come over to her house, and she'd say, do you know who that10:54
- was?11:01
- She was the runner -up to Miss America.11:01
- He was the mayor of Sacramento.11:03
- She won a Pulitzer Prize.11:05
- He's a Russian ballet dancer.11:06
- And I started, I kind of grew up assuming everyone has some hidden amazing thing about them.11:08
- And honestly, I think it's what makes me a better host.11:15
- I keep my mouth shut as often as I possibly can.11:19
- I keep my mind open, and I'm always prepared to be amazed, and I'm never disappointed.11:22
- You do the same thing.11:28
- Go out, talk to people, listen to people, and most importantly, be prepared to be amazed.11:30
- Thanks.11:38
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